Anti-UND website

Yeah, I had seen that a couple of months ago.
Wonder if some things are legitimate. But if you look through several articles, you'll notice that some are COMPLETELY irrelavant, and don't taint UND's image whatsoever. However, there are a couple of articles which stand out, but I don't really think most are true.

Maybe one of the guys over there can verify.
 
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Which article are you looking to verify?

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I would have to look at the entire site again, since I wouldn't remember any particular articles, being that I last visited the page months ago.

Thanks anyway.

-And on to the packing.....tomorrow's my last day here in NY.
 
Here's another dumb site: http://www.undnews.com/Aero/Aerospac.html

Both sites lead an argument with a slippery slope, and try to connect non-correlating facts together. One example is that UND-trained Asian airline pilot who caused a fatal crash. The only factor was his high level of intoxication - and NOTHING related to the quality of UND's flight training and overall education.
 
Ha ha, look at the bottom of that same page.
It lists:
"ERAU vs. UND"

...along with some pics.

'nuff said.
 
Hello,
I have found that site that you listed to be very interesting. I just finished up my first year at UND. And let me tell you, UND is full of fraud like business. I came to UND fairly excited to fly. I left 9 months later relieved. I earned my private certificate before attending.

UND's main goal is to take your money. But you may say this is true with any university. I found it amazing that parking police take student's schedules in order to figure out where they will be parking at on a particular day so that they may make some money for the general UND pot. Why must you have a CRJ simulator? Oh wait, MONEY! A good pilot in order to be hired by an airline DOES NOT need to spend 3000 on a special fancy simulator. What good does 60 percent of a type rating do? Nothing. It is one of UND's tactics to take your money. And why should they be getting glass cockpits in Warriors in a few years? How can a student learn to fly in a fancy cockpit. Can you teach the primary/secondary method of flying if you just have a big glass box in front of you?

The Aero-Lap Top program...useless. They make you spend 900 dollars, 1200 if you stay for the summer, to use a computer that supposedly has "special software." How many of the 1000 pilots actually use those programs? Not very many from what I observed. It is just another way for UND to make a buck.

Later in the schoolyear while attending a SAMA meeting, I was informed that each and every year, over a MILLION dollars from students flight accounts goes to help fund the general UND pot. I spend thousands and thousands of hard earned money so it can support this lame school? It is ridiculous. The instructors work hard day in and day out. Wouldn't you like to see them making a few bucks more? I sure would.

The academics at this school are piss poor. I thought I was going to college. UND is a glorified high school in my book. Any college that has a minimum gpa requirement of around 2.0 has major issues to work out. The teachers I had OTHER than aviation were pretty awful. There was mention about some teachers and I just took the aviation physics and let me tell you that Mr. Wagner is the worst physics teacher out there. It would be so easy to hire COMPETANT teachers. UND a third tier college? Barely?

You may be thinking that I am some angry student who could not handle the UND program. I earned A's in each and every aviation class that I have taken so far. I busted my butt day in and day out. They do produce good pilots but at a cost to one's sanity.

If you want to come to UND to get raped by UND's tactics then go right ahead. If you think you have to fly in fancy new planes with dual garmin 430's then go right ahead.

Before you go, you do not know how it feels to enter the pilot factory aka odegard hall. They need to get a smoke stack on top of that building because all students know it is nothing but a pilot factory.

Grand Forks is a dump. It is a boring town with very little to do. If you like to drink beer, shoot deer, and drive trucks, then you will fit in perfectly.

So to wrap this up, BEFORE you go to UND to fly airplanes, give it a a LOT of thought. When it is January 15 and -43F with a windchill of -75F at 8 am and you are going to a class you spend way too much money on for the quality of instruction, you too will start wondering why you are in the only state in the nation that continues to lose population.

UND does have some good qualities. But they are hard to find. If you care NOTHING about quality of life or a real education, then I would recommend attending. But if you wish to fly airplanes in a real environment, void of the UND bubble, enjoy it in the process, and earn an education that you will be PROUD of when you walk away from, then avoid UND at all costs.
 
yeah I saw this site, on google, seems like someone put up a well organized crash attempt towards UND, the funny thing is a lot of the "trash" said on the site, is backed by newspaper informations...I hope a current UND student can tell us that none of them are true....Thanks
 
hey yakima or whatever it is spelled, are you going to be a student at UND again your sophmore year? Where are you oringinally from? What do you think is the route to take? All that had was negativity but you did mention positives, lets see the positves.
 
damn that avatar is kkkkrazy
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is there a story behind it?
 
Ohio St. v. Michigan game last year. OSU had to win it to go to the national championship. They did, and the students had a lil bit of a riot on the field. Police whipped out the mace when people started goin for the goal posts. Had a couple of buddies that were hurtin for a few days after all that.
 
2 years ago Ohio State beating Michigan for the 2nd year in a row and going to Tempe for the Fiesta Bowl to beat Miami for the National Championship game. No story about me in the picture, but good time it was.
 
Yakima, you can't do that Bud. Post your thoughts and disappear. I want to agree with you on some things, but you make me question your credibility!!!
 
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Yakima, you can't do that Bud. Post your thoughts and disappear. I want to agree with you on some things, but you make me question your credibility!!!

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Second that.

This place is buried in it's own bullsh*t a lot of the time. I figured that part out right off the bat. But over the last couple of years I have learned to except that fact. If you focus on the positives and get involved in the activities this place has to offer it can really be a good experience. When people say that you'll get out of it what you put in it....it's the truth.
 
Basically what I have discovered about UND is that you really get out what you put into it. Of course UND is not perfect, but if you want to work hard and do well here, then you will. If you want to party every night, skip class, and expect A's to be given to you, then you wont be here very long. Most of those that complain about UND being a pilot factory, are those who have flown somewhere else before (part 61) and dont like all the rules and regulations you have to follow under part 141. They're also the ones that do nothing but sit around and complain. Is Grand Forks dull, yes it is. But if you surround yourself with the right people, you can still have a lot of fun. Is the weather in GFK nice...hell no its not, but complaining isn't going to change a damn thing. I assume that people that make those websites are the people who came to UND expecting to be given a future job with the airlines without working for it.

I spotted a few things wrong with Yakima's statement. The main one is that it only takes a 2.0 to stay at UND. That part is true. But in order to fly and to graduate you have to have a 2.5. Also, the aviation department has a grading scale that is a bit harder than the usual. An A is 92-100, B is 86-91, etc.

Once again, your experience at UND will be what you make of it. If you want to get lost in the crowd and look at it as a 'pilot factory', then go ahead. If you choose to work harder than what is required to get by and become a good pilot, then the opportunities are there.
 
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