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I hate to mention flightinfo here

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What's so bad about mentioning FlightInfo here? FlightInfo is an excellent resource to get real world input... It may be a little rougher environment but there is less "Candy Coating" than what goes on here... Which I think is good, people getting into this industry should have accurate info, not just "happy stuff" that they want to hear...
 
I agree. If you have a thick skin and can sort through some of the B.S (
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I agree. If you have a thick skin and can sort through some of the B.S (
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I agree... Here is my comparison, take it for what it is worth...

JetCareers.com = Mostly young people who are considering an Aviation Career, people who are still working on their training and just getting started in the industry, peppered with a few highly experienced pilots who enjoy mentoring new pilots. Conversation is generally upbeat and motivational, however many of the "lesser" points of an aviation career are rarely discussed... I feel this last point is one of the downsides to this site, I personally feel a person interested in this career field should be given the good with the bad... A completely informed person is a better decision maker than one who is handed a pair of rose colored glasses, is patted on the back and told everything will be just fine...

FlightInfo.com = Mostly pilots who are flying professionally already (CFI's, Freight, Charter, Regionals, Fractional, Military, Majors, Corporate) peppered with some new people just starting on their training or considering starting their training. FlightInfo pilots typically have worked through the excitement of that first job, first turbine time, etc... and are now dealing with the everyday issues of the industry such as contracts, pay, duty regs, management, benefits, retirement, job searches, furloughs, etc... "The novelty has worn off" so to say... But here you will get an "uncensored" look at the industry as it is, from the people currently living it... The downside of the FlightInfo site is there is a lot of threads that are not aviation related, or go off on tangents from their original purpose... If you can sort through the non-related stuff, there is a goldmine of information over there for anyone considering a career in Aviation...

Both sites have their pluses and minuses, I am a person who would rather have all of the information instead of just the stuff that makes me feel good. If you've read many of my posts, you know I tell it like it is, good and bad, with no candy coating... Aviation can be a bitter pill, better to know that going in than to find out when it is too late... That being said, I wouldn't want to trade my Aviation Career for any other career (except maybe retirement) but thats just me, I could be wrong...
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I feel this last point is one of the downsides to this site, I personally feel a person interested in this career field should be given the good with the bad... A completely informed person is a better decision maker than one who is handed a pair of rose colored glasses, is patted on the back and told everything will be just fine...

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Oh JetCareers has JT, he takes care of the negativity for us all!
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Oh JetCareers has JT, he takes care of the negativity for us all!
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Say what you will, but JT is one of the most experienced people on this site. I'd pay attention to what he says, you don't have to agree but you should pay attention.
 
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Oh JetCareers has JT, he takes care of the negativity for us all!
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I assume you mean John Tenney? Well from what I have read of him, he is a "Been there, done that" kinda guy... If he seems "negative" it is what the industry made him... Anyone who thinks a flying career is all smiles and simply going to the airport to go flying is sorrily mistaken...

An Aviation Career is certainly no bed of roses, even for someone who has a relatively smooth career... There are a LOT of hidden thorns on the bush, don't walk throught the garden with your head buried in the clouds, you might find yourself getting stung...
 
Well said Falcon Capt. That's why my plan is to make my own way. Get the Certificates and open a flight school. I'll make my money on the Dream without having to live the nightmare.
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You guys, it is a joke. And JT knows it!

I am with you two actually, and I am sure many others. I like to know every side of the story. If someone doesn't like something, I would like to hear about. Likewise, if he/she likes something, I want to know about it too. Everything you can possibly find out about this industry (both good and bad) will help you make better decisons for your future.

FalconCapt, you are a big part of why I want to go corporate. Whether I do is up in the air, but from what say about you job, it is almost an absolute fit on what I want to do later on in my career. So thanks for coming to JC!
 
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You guys, it is a joke. And JT knows it!

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lruppert,

In talking to you in the past I knew your JT comment was a joke, my reply was for the benefit of others who may not have understood it...

I've been around this site long enough now that people know that I will tell them like it is, if your looking for constant sunshine and fairy dust, you best go to Disney World, if you want cold, hard info about an Aviation Career, send me a PM... I'll answer any questions that I can (except who my employer is...)
 
I go away for a few hours and look what happens!

Luc I don't get mad, I don't get even - I get one better
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I go away for a few hours and look what happens!

Luc I don't get mad, I don't get even - I get one better
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Poor JT... out eating a nice innocent dinner to come back and find out he is smack dab in the center of controversy! What a life!
 
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The downside of the FlightInfo site is there is a lot of threads that are not aviation related, or go off on tangents from their original purpose... If you can sort through the non-related stuff, there is a goldmine of information over there for anyone considering a career in Aviation.

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This problem was fixed. There has always been a tradition at flightinfo to have as few sections as possible. I've been posting there since 1999 back when it was very basic. In Nov 2001 they went to the new forum software and since then they've slowly added more forums. Just recently they have added a new forum for non-avation related posts. It's a good site and I have donated twice and bought logbook pro.

Some of the non-avaition stuff over there is pretty interesting though.
 
"What's so bad about mentioning FlightInfo here?"

I'm not sure how appropriate it is to put up a link to "the competition" at this site. I suppose this thread would have disappeared already had a mod thought it was a bad idea.

Flightinfo....too many guys whine and complain. Yeah, the job's not always easy but I find that pilots are overly negative and complain a lot. Some of it is founded, no doubt, but I'd rather spend my time here than there. I'd rather be around a bunch of wannabe's than around a bunch of whiners, anyday.

Also, I get sick and tired really fast with the way people treat each other at flightinfo. The mods here are quicker to keep things civil, if necessary, and the folks here are more civil to start with. There is more of a reserved tone here. I like that. I don't go to the lavatory forum much, either. Just don't have any interest in hearing guys yell at each other.

The place I really hate in airliners.net. I finally quit going there....life has been much simpler, since. My blood pressure on my last physical was 123/80 (or 80/123...I get it confused). Anyhow....I think it's been lower since I quit Anet.
 
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"The novelty has worn off" so to say...

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I do my best to never let the novelty wear off of anything!!!

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The downside of the FlightInfo site is there is a lot of threads that are not aviation related, or go off on tangents from their original purpose... If you can sort through the non-related stuff, there is a goldmine of information over there for anyone considering a career in Aviation.

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This problem was fixed. There has always been a tradition at flightinfo to have as few sections as possible. Just recently they have added a new forum for non-avation related posts. It's a good site and I have donated twice and bought logbook pro.

Some of the non-avaition stuff over there is pretty interesting though.

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I should have mentioned that in my post... And I agree, a lot of the non-aviation stuff is interesting... FlightInfo is a place pilots hang out to discuss everything, flying or not...



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I'm not sure how appropriate it is to put up a link to "the competition" at this site. I suppose this thread would have disappeared already had a mod thought it was a bad idea.

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What competition? Neither site charges for their service, so there really is nothing for either owner to gain... Both are public forums...



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Flightinfo....too many guys whine and complain. Yeah, the job's not always easy but I find that pilots are overly negative and complain a lot.

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Just like flying the line at most jobs... I've never met a pilot who doesn't complain about some aspect of his job at least part of the time... If I were thinking of entering a career field, I'd want to know about the gripes of the current guys so I could judge how I feel about those same issues before those issues affect me personally...



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I get sick and tired really fast with the way people treat each other at flightinfo. The mods here are quicker to keep things civil, if necessary, and the folks here are more civil to start with. There is more of a reserved tone here.

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Well on here, most of the people are just getting started, they are all smiles with their heads in the clouds excited about their almost certain prospects of flying a 747-400 8 days a month for $300,000.00 per year... On FlightInfo you have the guys who are now flying RJ's 8 legs a day, 20 days a month for $21,000 per year... Novelty wore off, reality set in... Better to go into something with a realistic set of expectations than living in a fantasy land...



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I do my best to never let the novelty wear off of anything!!!

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MTSU... Keep you head up! But never say "Never"... When I was at Riddle, a good friend of mine was the most aviation crazy person I had ever met... He swore up and down that he would never, ever complain about "having to go fly"... He simply loved flying... Well fast forward several years, and by the time he was an experienced pilot several jobs into his career, I remember hearing him complain about a trip "Man, I just don't feel like going flying today!"... I was quick to remind him of his former quote... He laughed and said, "Well after a while you grow up and realize no matter how great a job is, some days it is merely just work"... Unfortunately, no matter how hard we try, there is only one "First Day", one "First Landing", one "First Turbine Time", one "First Jet Flight", one "Retirement Day"... At some point we awake from the dream and realize tomorrow is just another day...
 
I don't think i have ever seen or heard of a person that is excited about his job! The fact of the matter is that do something that you are passinate about whether it is aviation or teaching history. I have never regretted all the money that i spent for flying or for majoring in avaition. Half of my friends went to the commuters and i opted to stay and do something different in aviation, which was a personal choice.

Every career has the ups and downs and i think in my opinion, jetcareer has clearly shown that through out the past forums. Therefore, I hate to visit some sites that have a bunch of whining airline pilots who seem to be discouraging rather than illustrating the good and bad points of avaition career.
 
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Therefore, I hate to visit some sites that have a bunch of whining airline pilots who seem to be discouraging rather than illustrating the good and bad points of avaition career.

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Perfect example of how people only hear (or read) what they want to hear.
 
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I don't think i have ever seen or heard of a person that is excited about his job! The fact of the matter is that do something that you are passinate about whether it is aviation or teaching history. I have never regretted all the money that i spent for flying or for majoring in avaition. Half of my friends went to the commuters and i opted to stay and do something different in aviation, which was a personal choice.

Every career has the ups and downs and i think in my opinion, jetcareer has clearly shown that through out the past forums. Therefore, I hate to visit some sites that have a bunch of whining airline pilots who seem to be discouraging rather than illustrating the good and bad points of avaition career.

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Yeah, we may whine. So what?? If you only want to hear the rosie side of things then fine. Just don't be shocked when you make it to that first job and wonder why you suddenley aren't as happy as you thought you would be. If you can hear and see ALL of the negative things, and STILL you want to persue a career in aviation, then you are truly informed. (And insane, like the rest of us
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Knowing only the good will hurt you in the long run.

Jetcareers is good for one thing, Flightinfo for another.
 
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