And AMR Management doesn't expect guys to jump ship or call in sick?

jtrain609 said:
You know what's REALLY insulting about all this?

AMR's new regional affiliates that will be operating as "American Eagle" in LAX and DFW BOTH have better work rules than their mainline counterpart.

It's a Brave New World, folks.
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In that, they actually have work rules.

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It's really sad to see American Airlines get to this point. It will be interesting to see what happens at American over the next few years.
 
Sad to see. Wonder how much they paid the judge to throw out the pilot contract. What the heck do the guys in their 50s like my dad who has been with the company for 20 years do. Besides hate the management.
 
curtismarker said:
Sad to see. Wonder how much they paid the judge to throw out the pilot contract. What the heck do the guys in their 50s like my dad who has been with the company for 20 years do. Besides hate the management.
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I doubt they had to pay him. This is problem with judges relegating the work rules in the industry. They only have to go on what management says and what the union lawyers say in court. I'm sure they, like a LOT of a non-aviation people, think pilots have long layovers in exotic destination, work half the year and get paid $250k+. While that's likely true for the top 1-3% of AMR, it's not true of the rest. So, the judge says "Hey, these guys need to work for a living like everyone else." and BAM! FAR limits for a legacy carrier.....even though the judge probably doesn't have a clue that the guy flying that 767 from JFK-LAX could be seeing a 16 hour duty day with less than 8 hours sleep afterwards.
 
Well... That's just unreal brutal. I thought the dispatchers were getting a raw deal there. Just, wow.
 
So how do you figure they all feel about letting the camel's nose under the tent now? Scope. Yesterday. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
 
That's Disgusting.
I can't imagine that the creditors and those holding the debt believe that what Horton is doing is the best option.
After all this is almost 100% believe that the us air and american merger will happen.
 
Boris Badenov said:
And how. Fight the good fight, AA Pilots. And ALL ought to support them, because when they go down, the rest of us do, too.
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There are likely two ways for the American pilots to win:

1. US Airways moves in and buys American.
2. The American pilots force American to liquidate.

So it's basically merge and survive or nuke it from orbit (because it's the only way to be sure).
 
Boris Badenov said:
And how. Fight the good fight, AA Pilots. And ALL ought to support them, because when they go down, the rest of us do, too.
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I'm not sure what kind of "support" anyone can provide at this point. The APA pilots are pretty much screwed. All they have left is prayers that Doug Parker will swoop in and save the day. Beyond that, massive furloughs and a decade of concessions is all they have to look forward to.
 
Holy hell that looks like a sharp skewer to the eye.

ATN_Pilot said:
I'm not sure what kind of "support" anyone can provide at this point. The APA pilots are pretty much screwed. All they have left is prayers that Doug Parker will swoop in and save the day. Beyond that, massive furloughs and a decade of concessions is all they have to look forward to.
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Has this been AMR's intention all along I wonder? How do you save your airline by beating its pilots down?
 
Trip7 said:
With 3 Legacies and airlines will likely finally be able to maintain a sustainable profit over the long term, just like the Railroad industry
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Except for that pesky biatch called jet fuel. Keep an eye on the USGC Jet Fuel spot over the next year. That'll have a bigger effect on the industry than labor, loads, or synergies.
 
ClearedToThe said:
I wouldn't be surprised if cactus changes its mind about AA given the latest death spiral in performance.
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They know that the lousy performance is directly related to employee morale.

If they can improve on the relationship that American's employees have with the current management (can't go anywhere but up), then AA's performance should improve.
 
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