An International Ops Question for Doug Taylor

Doug Taylor said:
Are you looking for like the AT1/AT2? When I get to JFK this afternoon, I'll check!
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yes that would be awesome! I'm not sure of the exact number chart, but from what Ive seen it covers the Atlantic as far as coast out/in and has common HF freqs listed.
 
USAFplt said:
also does anybody (Doug/ Polar) have any older Jep Oceanic Charts they wouldnt mind passing along? Ive tried to get my hand on some but they are hard to find. One AC I flew with had some and they are great having all the preferred HF freqs on there etc. All the NGA products blow and have none of this information which always leads me to try to the freq game from the list in our FIH. I would pay for these of course if anyone has them!
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Yes....For all the places you need.

Current too....
 
jwp_145 said:
SOrry to whine, but my question still hasn't been answered... maybe I'll ask it a different way.

If there is no governing body in international waters (international waters not being owned by any one nation), and no one "owns" the airspace above international waters, what prevents me from going out to the very middle of the Atlantic Ocean and going up to FL410? WOuld the FAA say "We heard you were out in international airspace without a flight plan and since you are licensed through the FAA, we are going to take action against you?"

Would it be the equivalent of going out into international waters in the middle of the ocean, committing a murder, then my government arresting me for it?

I know that last scenario is ridiculous, but is that the basic gist of it?
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It has something to do with the ICAO and international law. You could probably try contacting them if you are looking for a good response. I don't know....
 
jwp_145 said:
SOrry to whine, but my question still hasn't been answered... maybe I'll ask it a different way.

If there is no governing body in international waters (international waters not being owned by any one nation), and no one "owns" the airspace above international waters, what prevents me from going out to the very middle of the Atlantic Ocean and going up to FL410? WOuld the FAA say "We heard you were out in international airspace without a flight plan and since you are licensed through the FAA, we are going to take action against you?"

Would it be the equivalent of going out into international waters in the middle of the ocean, committing a murder, then my government arresting me for it?

I know that last scenario is ridiculous, but is that the basic gist of it?
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i thought i answered it in post #9. during the chicago conventions of icao, i think it was in 1944, they assigned various parts of oceanic airspace to be under the control of member nations. canada (gander) has basically the nw part of the north atlantic, shanwick has basically the ne part of the n atlantic, new york controls just south of gander's airspace, etc.

if you have a gne, or go fly out to 410 in the middle of the ocean without clearance, once someone catches wind of it they will refer you to your home country for certificate action.

assuming you are in the u.s., the faa would view it and take certificate action much the same as they would if you went to 410 over kansas without talking to anyone. a defense of international waters wouldn't get you very far.

though it seems a bit of a purely academic discussion as it wouldn't be all that practical to get to 30w at 410 without anyone noticing you on your way there.
 
jwp_145 said:
Doug, I read your blog and I hear you talking about coast-out and coast-in. I understand what these mean, and you also speak of oceanic clearances. I also grasp the concept of these, but who are you getting the clearance from? Who is the controlling agency from whom you have to seek permission to fly through oceanic airspace? If it is international waters and international airspace, what is preventing me from doing what I want at FL350 in the middle of the Atlantic?
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Even though it's been answered thoroughly, I like beating dead horses with sources. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/notices/2009-05-07/PART3_SEC2.cfm

And if you can get an airplane to 350 in the middle of the north atlantic, good luck.
 
Doug,

I've got my first return to the ER trip to CAI on the 1st. When doing the conversion kit I see we have an ever living buttload more charts now than when I was on it before. Question is, do we have to carry them all? I thought I heard rumor that we don't have to carry the domestic if we were not going to be in that theater.
 
coa787 said:
It has something to do with the ICAO and international law. You could probably try contacting them if you are looking for a good response. I don't know....
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Actually that answer was good enough! Haha, that was what I was looking for.
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
Doug,

I've got my first return to the ER trip to CAI on the 1st. When doing the conversion kit I see we have an ever living buttload more charts now than when I was on it before. Question is, do we have to carry them all? I thought I heard rumor that we don't have to carry the domestic if we were not going to be in that theater.
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That's about how I understand it.

Whoever is in control (or doesn't HAVE control) over the amount of crap we carry needs a timeout.
 
Ok I got the answer in the layman-nancy terms I was looking for! Thank you guys for taking the time to walk me through it.
 
Thirty says it's some doofus who is hoping we're able to cross-utilize ER pilots.

Eagle, CO and Albuquerque, NM? Really? Weeeeeeeely?! :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Thirty says it's some doofus who is hoping we're able to cross-utilize ER pilots.

Eagle, CO and Albuquerque, NM? Really? Weeeeeeeely?! :)
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FOUR binders! Seriously, four binders. Five if you count the Airway Manual. Six if you count my hubs-only binder.
 
It's ridiculous.

Seriously.

They're looking at going with 80% water to save on gas, but we've got what, maybe 250 pounds of paper in the cockpit that we don't even use?

At least give me the option of purchasing my own EFB.
 
You should have your MEC do a study on workers comp claims that are a result of back injuries, etc. to lifting the heavy flight cases...

Show that to the company and then it might change a few things.
 
LEC? Sure! I'll talk to my reps when I get back to JFK tomorrow.

MEC? Haaaaa! You funny guy, GI. "Huh! All you guys do is complain, complain, complain... blah blah blah..." :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
Thirty says it's some doofus who is hoping we're able to cross-utilize ER pilots.

Eagle, CO and Albuquerque, NM? Really? Weeeeeeeely?! :)
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I don't want to hear your whining Taylor. The base that I fly out of carries charts for the entire United States and some of Canada. Thats every airport, not just the ones that we fly into. Do you want to know how it feels to have to revise all of those charts every two weeks? Do yah? It feels real bad!(In my best Ollie Williams voice):)
 
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Taylor got pwned!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)
 
Seggy said:
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Taylor got pwned!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)
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The difference is that we are MAJOR airline pilots and should not have to put up with things like this. (heavy :sarcasm:)
 
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