AMR Seeks Pilot Concessions........Again

SlumTodd_Millionaire

SlumTodd_Millionaire

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Well, the bankruptcy process is going to screw over some more pilots, unfortunately. The term sheet from AMR management is absolutely horrendous. Some of the "highlights":

  • 88-seat airplanes outsourced, and no longer limited to Eagle
  • No minimum monthly guarantee for lineholders (yes, seriously)
  • Sick time only paid at 60% if you call in sick more than twice in a year, and you need a note from the doc
  • Elimination of the STL base protections for the TWA pilots (as if they weren't screwed enough already)
  • Pref bid system (presumably with little union control)
You can read the full term sheet here: http://www.restructuringamr.com/documents/APA%20Term%20Sheet%20Source%20Document_v10_FINAL_C LEAN.pdf
 
Hmm... Glad with my life choice to be a part time CFI.

Entirely possible that I may make more doing that than being a line holder at a major in 10 years. (seriously, I have met some CFI's that have left airlines and make more teaching, at least per hour)
 
88 seaters, 255 or 50% of mainline fleet
Unlimited codeshare
Not good.

-Airport hotels
-International /Night override gone
-Absence management Vender for sick? WTF
-Only 60% pay over 2 sick calls
-Pension gone
-Pay slashed
-Healthcare cost increase
-No guarantee for reserve fatigue
-No min guarantee
-Reserve worse
-Schheduled max allowable by FARs
-International crew rest seats gone/space avail
-PBS
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oh.. almost forgot. 400 AA pilot furloughs
and talk about only keeping 100 Eagle RJ's
13,000 employee's cut
TWU shows a LOT of outsourcing..
http://www.restructuringamr.com/
 
Talk about a screw job with no lube...AMR's managers need to find themselves in a dark alley surrounded by a bunch of mafia types with baseball bats.

I hope AAG's managers don't read this, I can see something along these lines being in their playbook of the future...
 
SurferLucas said:
Talk about a screw job with no lube...AMR's managers need to find themselves in a dark alley surrounded by a bunch of mafia types with baseball bats.
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It isn't like they had much of a choice. Not saying it doesn't suck, but they are doing their job.

For the "HVC's" like me, unless they lived in Dallas, we have avoided AMR. Again, management's fault.

For the full-fare ticket buyer though, AMR has been the last choice for a while now.
 
This is bad, really bad, almost criminal, someone who was about to retire got a real kick a face.
 
Lawrence O'Donnell had a really good piece on the AMR bankruptcy and the PBGC tonight.
 
And watch them be surprised when productivity goes to crap.

I hope anyone involved in coming up with these concessions is hit by a bus. These would make most regional pilots have a better quality of life.
 
No words, other than:

If you are APA: vote NO. Make them prove that they "need" these changes in court. This isn't a contract offer, it's an insult.

Massively-off-thread:
Good thing everyone flocked to eagle before October(?) to get that number at American!
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Two points:
(1) It's not a number. It's preferential hiring. Some of us know the difference.
(2) Your tactical approach is, shall we say, tactless.
 
No monthly guarentee? You've got to be kidding me. At this rate I will never even consider working for an arline, that's simply criminal.
 
This is proposal is worse than my contract at a regional?

Is this a proposal to the bankruptcy judge or a proposal to the pilots in order to negate the need to go to the bankruptcy judge?
 
I got two words for AMR ..................................................... BLOW and ME!
 
Rule #1 in negotiations. Shoot first for more than you can get.

That said. This is well into outer space.

I expect the courts to bring the AA pilots into line with other majors. Retirement gone but a lot of that list kept in place.

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jtrain609 said:
This is proposal is worse than my contract at a regional?

Is this a proposal to the bankruptcy judge or a proposal to the pilots in order to negate the need to go to the bankruptcy judge?
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I was thinking the same thing. As a regional that's attempting to stave off bankruptcy, we're not even being asked to go into that bad of a situation. No min guarantee? I can't think of good airline out there that has no min guarantee. The 60% sick thing is just ludicrous. If you're sick, you're sick. It's a benefit, and you should be able to use it. All it does is just force people to fly sick otherwise. Not that the FAA will do anything to AMR if the policy were in place. I could see pensions being gutted and wage concessions, but even for shooting for the moon in an opener this is way off base. They aimed for Pluto, and it's not even a planet anymore.....
 
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