Amerijet On Strike!

ATN_Pilot said:
Actually, I think you're giving them too much credit. I think they just realized that they were going to have a bunch of pilots refuse to fly the freight, terminations or not. If 25% of the pilots had voiced a willingness to do it, I think you'd see Kalitta Charter II airplanes flying scab freight as we speak.
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So should we form an opinion on what you personally believe, or should we wait for the facts to speak for themselves? As of right now, Kalitta Charter II has not flown any struck freight. That is a fact. If that changes, then we can think otherwise. We cannot call someone a scab based on what we think they will do. We can only deal with what actually happens.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Actually, I think you're giving them too much credit. I think they just realized that they were going to have a bunch of pilots refuse to fly the freight, terminations or not. If 25% of the pilots had voiced a willingness to do it, I think you'd see Kalitta Charter II airplanes flying scab freight as we speak.
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Why don't we ask?

Randy, was Doug's decision based on the cost-benefit(short term and long term) or was it he didn't want to cross the AMJ line(If that is the case why ask you to poll the pilots?)?
 
Gonzo said:
Why don't we ask?

Randy, was Doug's decision based on the cost-benefit(short term and long term) or was it he didn't want to cross the AMJ line(If that is the case why ask you to poll the pilots?)?
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What does it matter at this point? A truly great decision was made not to scab. I applaud that decision and think we should leave it be. So many times is has been said you are either a scab or you're not. Black and white issue. Kalitta is not scabbing. End of story. :clap:
 
ATN_Pilot said:
And when he was told to do so, his answer should have been "$&%$ you."
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And this is why unions find themselves on the wrong end of public opinion. The guy did his job, and they AREN'T flying AMJ freight. When I was a manager and I had to ask for some BS stuff from my employees I would technically ask, but let them know it was BS and to refuse. That being said you should applaud Kalitta's decision not to scab and try to build bridges instead of bombing them outright. Be the first to extend the olive branch.
 
I agree that we should probably just leave it at they're not scabbing, rather than try to disssect their decision making process.
 
FlyChicaga said:
So should we form an opinion on what you personally believe, or should we wait for the facts to speak for themselves?
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I think the facts are pretty clear, since he admitted to asking his pilots. But you can form an opinion based on whatever you want. I've already formed mine, and that's all I was expressing. Feel free to express yours. That's sort of the point of a message board.

We cannot call someone a scab based on what we think they will do. We can only deal with what actually happens.
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I didn't call him a scab, I called him a slimeball. He's certainly not a scab.
 
As with most decisions of this magnitude, there is the public response and the behind the scenes discussion. I applaud Kalitta for not trying to fly through the picket line. I also suspect there were some non public discussions that too place.

Let's remember that YIP is in a state with no unions:rotfl::rotfl:Wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that they got some calls.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I didn't call him a scab, I called him a slimeball. He's certainly not a scab.
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Check this, Randy saved his own behind by accepting what he was told to do (which I assume was to call the pilots and poll them). He did, they refused, wallah, no one is flying struck work. I think everyone won, including Doug Kalitta. After watching the operation over on the other side of the field (I fly out of the West side) dwindle down to nothing, I feared they would end up flying the freight. They didn't, no one scabbed, the manager still has his job and everyone's happy. Slimeball, IMO? no. Doing the job he was assigned upon promotion/hiring? Yes. Win/Win.

Just my $.01 (free enterprise!)
 
727to7400 said:
Let's remember that YIP is in a state with no unions:rotfl::rotfl:
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I'm glad pilot unions aren't asking for $70/hr manufacturing jobs! :rawk: I'm in the opinion that UAW contributed significantly to the destruction of 2 of the Big 3. But this is a thread about Amerijet so I'll head back to that topic.
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Ok, that's been established. Feel free to zap him and his pilot group an email to discuss your disdain.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I care more about integrity than "saving ones own behind."
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I dont see how you can fault a guy for doing what he can to save his job and not fly struck work.

I cant believe your actually saying hes a slimeball for not refusing to call his pilots and possibly get himself fired, hes a step above most DO's. Most would have just told his pilots to fly or get lost. The attitude of some union members is absurd. Its a good thing most of you do NOT represent what the people that are actually on strike are thinking...

Love what unions do for the business, I hate the attitude they bring out in people. Good luck to the Amerijet pilots!
 
Nah, that's a personal view, not necessarily a universally-accepted view of airline organized labor.

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Ok, that's been established. Feel free to zap him and his pilot group an email to discuss your disdain.
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Roger. I seem to reply to quotes that have already been solved in subsequent pages. I really need to read everything, before posting anything.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Nah, that's a personal view, not necessarily a universally-accepted view of airline organized labor.

Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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And that's the most important takeaway from this.

The VAST majority of Union members don't have an extremist view. Sure, there are some out there (as represented here) but the ultra militaristic view that some would have people believe is the norm (or at least the "right" view) is in fact not. I sometimes wonder if they even realize the amount of harm they are doing the Profession by alienating an entire generation of pilots.
 
I do believe the internet was our best hope, but considering the theatrics of some of our loudest voices, it may be a lost cause.

From the outside, it would look like it's "Join us or die" vis a vis, jumpseat wars, broadening and greying the definition of scab and other type thuggery.

All of the stuff like improving schedules, working with the FAA to improve safety, accident investigation and safety all are becoming labor sideshows that gather no attention.

Loud voices of inexperience on one side, loud voices of experience but piss poor delivery on the other, all while management laughs its ass off.
 
Doug Taylor said:
I do believe the internet was our best hope, but considering the theatrics of some of our loudest voices, it may be a lost cause.

From the outside, it would look like it's "Join us or die" vis a vis, jumpseat wars, broadening and greying the definition of scab and other type thuggery.

All of the stuff like improving schedules, working with the FAA to improve safety, accident investigation and safety all are becoming labor sideshows that gather no attention.

Loud voices of inexperience on one side, loud voices of experience but piss poor delivery on the other, all while management laughs its ass off.
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:clap: Bravo
 
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