Amerijet On Strike!

They aren't helping Amerijet at all. Its not just some small 10% overhead or whatever for Amerijet to have another another company to send a few airplanes to MIA to cover their runs. Not only are these other companies' aircraft more expensive to operate (because the pilots are paid more) but you also have to pay positioning costs and other such things. Anytime you have a company whose sole industry is to transport goods, and they are made so they can no longer transport stuff, then that company has problems. Major problems. Amerijet of not making a profit by paying other people to come in and do their business. These companies are not "helping" Amerijet. If anything they're taking advantage of them.


Ok, let's try this again.

You can't just MAKE UP NUMBERS and say "look! these made up numbers mean I won't really be helping amerijet!"

If it wasn't helping amerijet, AMERIJET WOULDN'T BE HAVING COMPANIES DO IT.

You are also grossly overestimating the costs vs profit ratio for companies. But back to my previous point.

Amerijet wouldn't be contracting with these companies if it wasn't helping them. I really don't know how to make this more clear. Anyone else?
 
Sorry Junior, same logic your using is what took down the Eastern Airlines pilots because those pilots had trusted management. Obviously, you haven't flown with the old-timers that made this industry so you could learn how deceitful your beloved airline management can behave. Does the name Lorenzo mean anything to you? Maybe you need to be reminded how NWA ran to its junior pilots and told them the senior guys were not taking pay cuts so the junior pilots will be furloughed. Pit pilot against pilot, that's the strategy. They don't care how ethical and righteous you are; in fact while you stand there and wave the flag of justice, airline management is snipping your Achilles tendon. You have no idea how deep this stuff goes; if you're at a decent place than thank your lucky stars and stand aside so the rest of us can fight for our rights.
 
Sorry Junior, same logic your using is what took down the Eastern Airlines pilots because those pilots had trusted management. Obviously, you haven't flown with the old-timers that made this industry so you could learn how deceitful your beloved airline management can behave. Does the name Lorenzo mean anything to you? Maybe you need to be reminded how NWA ran to its junior pilots and told them the senior guys were not taking pay cuts so the junior pilots will be furloughed. Pit pilot against pilot, that's the strategy. They don't care how ethical and righteous you are; in fact while you stand there and wave the flag of justice, airline management is snipping your Achilles tendon. You have no idea how deep this stuff goes; if you're at a decent place than thank your lucky stars and stand aside so the rest of us can fight for our rights.

Like I said, throttle it back a bit here with the namecalling. We do have rules around these parts; and since you're allegedly new, you may want to take a bit of time to review them. Don't say you weren't warned...again. All that was asked of you is to back up your allegations with a few facts, as many may not be in the know. Thats not asking much. And with so much possibility for misinformation to go back and forth, who's to say whats what? Just something to consider in the midst of all the emotions with the situation at hand.

"Beloved management" Are you on crack? Who's beloving or trusting management? I just simply understand what it is they do. Kind of like the frog and the snake crossing the river.....frog gets surprised he got bit by snake after repeated times of being told he wouldn't be. Why? Because that's what snakes do, said the snake. Same concept hoss. And if pilots knew their history, they'd say no to management trying to whipsaw them now in the same ways that were done in history during strikes. Seems thats what the pilots did do, whether or not you came to the rescue or not. Point is, there's no thought police......hold people accountable for what they do, not what was thought or considered.
 
Fantastic, Mr. KIIDO, sounds great except you left out the fact that you personally called members of your pilot group and asked them if they would fly Amerijet freight before you (and your "management group") decided not to fly it AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T DENY THAT. You folks would have flown Amerijet freight because you're cut from the same cloth as the Amerijet owner and management. And, by the way, thanks for mentioning the name of your Chief Pilot; now we all know the name of the SCAB we can kick off when he asks for a jump seat in the future. And thanks for indirectly and unintentionally supporting the Amerijet pilots; a first from airline management; make sure you ask for kudos from Doug Kalitta.

Ok, so I called a few guys to get their opinion. I do that with about 95% of the hard decisions. Then we made our decision based solely on what we believed was the right thing to do. Stand behind our guys and not jeopordize their livelyhood for an insignificant amount of money.

Doug Kalitta did issue a temporary pay cut, which has now been given back to the crews. By doing this we saved almost all of our crewmembers form being furloughed. Now, if you were one of our crewmembers who was 'saved', you'd be thankful like most or our crewmembers are.

KII management will continue to make its decisions based on facts available at the time. Granted, not all are popular. In this case, with declines in business it makes it even more difficult to swollow. But, Doug did just that!

Randy Kania
DO
Kalitta Charters II LLC.
 
Fantastic, Mr. KIIDO, sounds great except you left out the fact that you personally called members of your pilot group and asked them if they would fly Amerijet freight before you (and your "management group") decided not to fly it AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T DENY THAT. You folks would have flown Amerijet freight because you're cut from the same cloth as the Amerijet owner and management. And, by the way, thanks for mentioning the name of your Chief Pilot; now we all know the name of the SCAB we can kick off when he asks for a jump seat in the future. And thanks for indirectly and unintentionally supporting the Amerijet pilots; a first from airline management; make sure you ask for kudos from Doug Kalitta.

I'm not denying anything and hey, I even put my name on it. Ok, so I called a few guys to get their opinion. I do that with about 95% of the hard decisions. Then we made our decision based solely on what we believed was the right thing to do. Stand behind our guys and not jeopordize their livelyhood for an insignificant amount of money.

KII management will continue to make its decisions based on facts available at the time. Granted, not all are popular. In this case, with declines in business it makes it even more difficult to swollow. But, Doug did just that!

Randy Kania
DO
Kalitta Charters II LLC.
 
http://www.aircargoworld.com/News/Amerijet-Strike-Gains-Labor-Support


Amerijet Strike Gains Labor Support


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As Miami-based Amerijet moves into a second week of strike action by its flight crew employees, the company says it is continuing to operate as normal. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) claims this is because it has turned to interline partner Cargojet, an Ontario, Canada-based airline.


In a statement, the Teamsters’ union says Amerijet officials "are signaling that they have no interest in being an honest American company and will bring as many foreign nationals as needed into the U.S. to take American jobs and make a profit off American workers.”


On Sept. 2, the International Transport Workers' Federation (ITF), representing 4.5 million workers in 148 countries, joined the AirLine Pilots Association (ALPA) in support of the strike action. Gabriel Mocho, Secretary of the ITF’s Civil Aviation Section, commented: “Amerijet has become a byword for low pay and shabby treatment, and the revulsion that is being expressed is a direct result of this.”


ALPA added, "These men and women are looking for basic improvements in their first contract while dealing with a company that has shown no respect for them or the negotiating process."


Also supporting the strike is Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.). In a letter to both Amerijet CEO David Bassett and Doug Berman, Managing Partner of the airline's majority owner HIG Capital, the House lawmaker said, " I am deeply disturbed by you company's seeming disregard for the health and safety of your employees. Your failure to provide adequate drinking water or sanitary facilities is simply degrading and inhumane."
Striking pilots have noted that the lack of toilets on Amerijet aircraft require them to use plastic bags when necessary.


Congressman Hastings added, "The docking of pay of pilots who are too ill to fly pressures them to fly when sick and endangers the lives of not only employees, but also innocent bystanders on the ground. Though having to work in such substandard conditions is sufficiently reprehensible, Amerijet pilots and engineers are also among the lowest paid in the industry.”
Amerijet pilots claim they are required to work up to 16 hours a day for a starting salary of $36,000 a year that hasn’t changed since 1999. In March this year, Amerijet cut salaries by 10 percent.


According to Teamsters' spokeswoman Daisy Gonzalez, "The key hang-up in the contract talks involved Amerijet's insistence on a five-year contract without any raise in the last 20 months of the contract's term. The company also refused the union's demand to restore severe wage and benefit cuts that the company imposed earlier this year.”



Pamela Rollins, Amerijet’s Senior Vice President of Business Development noted, "We are disappointed that IBT's inability to reach a fair agreement has resulted in their decision to strike. The demands were simply not justified in any respect, particularly given the current competitive and economic environment."


The Teamsters’ Local representing the Amerijet flight crews says it has been attempting to negotiate with the airline’s management since 2004.
On Sept. 3 Amerijet said, "The comments that have been issued in the media from sources other than the company are not unexpected under the current circumstances. As long as Amerijet is engaged in labor negotiations we are not at liberty to discuss labor related issues. This means that until such time that the strike has ended, the company is in labor negotiations and ask that you respect our position."
 
Mr. Randy Kania (AKA KIIDO), of Kalitta Charters II, who admits to calling his pilots and asking them if they'd be willing to cross the Amerijet picket line.

I don't know man.

Let's not kid ourselves. Management is not labor. They, largely, make their decisions regardless of what the labor group says.

Kalitta Charters II is a non-union shop. I'm surprised they didn't just force pilots to fly the freight, instead they asked - albeit - I understand that it opens the door up to pilots innocently becoming a scab if they're not aware of AmeriJet's situation - but, they could have been order to do it instead of asked.

Either way, I'm glad they're not flying struck work.

$100 to the IBT.
 
I don't know man.

Let's not kid ourselves. Management is not labor. They, largely, make their decisions regardless of what the labor group says.

He's a pilot. I don't care if he's got a fancy management title, asking fellow pilots to scab is unacceptable. Check "the list" for how many management pilots are listed there. They don't get a pass.
 
He's a pilot. I don't care if he's got a fancy management title, asking fellow pilots to scab is unacceptable. Check "the list" for how many management pilots are listed there. They don't get a pass.

I'm not saying they get a pass. I'm merely saying that at least they had the decency to not order their pilots to fly struck work. Either way, it's not cool. . .but in the end, KCII guys are not flying struck work.
 
He's a pilot. I don't care if he's got a fancy management title, asking fellow pilots to scab is unacceptable. Check "the list" for how many management pilots are listed there. They don't get a pass.

If he's a manager, it doesn't matter if he's a circus clown even, if he asks is one thing because that's his job. He's a manager.

Now if he *demands* and starts firing pilots who do not comply, that's something else entirely.
 
He's a pilot. I don't care if he's got a fancy management title, asking fellow pilots to scab is unacceptable. Check "the list" for how many management pilots are listed there. They don't get a pass.

I am not sure. He asked the pilots and accepted their feedback. It is a little outer-limits to expect management to be full-on union supporters. Yeah, he is a pilot, but he is also in management at a company. Bottom line, they polled the workers and decided to not fly this freight, so it was the outcome you were looking for. I don't always care why someone comes up with the answer, as long as it is an answer I want to hear.
 
If he's a manager, it doesn't matter if he's a circus clown even, if he asks is one thing because that's his job. He's a manager.

Now if he *demands* and starts firing pilots who do not comply, that's something else entirely.

We're just going to have to disagree on this one. I see nothing acceptable at all in what he did. He should have told his management overlords that he wasn't going to take part in trying to recruit their scabs. That's called integrity.
 
First of all....and this is for everyone.....CEASE with the personal namecalling. It's wholly unproductive from either side and violates the rules of the forum here.

That said, this quote is unbelievable:

Pamela Rollins, Amerijet’s Senior Vice President of Business Development noted, "We are disappointed that IBT's inability to reach a fair agreement has resulted in their decision to strike. The demands were simply not justified in any respect, particularly given the current competitive and economic environment."

First, there's no attempt to counter the accusations being made, which leads even more credence to the striking pilot's demands being completely reasonable. "....given the current competitive and economic market"......say what? The crews aren't asking for a $200K payraise and 20 days off, they're asking for the most basic of amenities. If a company is complaining of the current competitive and economic market, yet can turn around and buy aircraft and large refrigerated state-of-the-art cargo storage facilities, then they can darn well take care of their worker's basic needs insofar as Lav service and basic refreshments. In fact, IMHO, with the stated salary of the crews, restoration of the 10% pay cut they took isn't asking for much either.

"We are disappointed that IBT's inability to reach a fair agreement".....I'm very curious what's considered a "fair agreement" from the company's standpoint in this situation?
 
That's cool.

He was told to ask. He did, I gather fully expecting none of his pilots to take the assignment. That's his job as a manager.

AND he had the fortitude to put his name on the internet and explain himself too. That's certainly a good thing that shows integrity.

But say he refused to ask, on principle, gets fired and replaced by a guy who outright says that if the pilots don't fly the cargo, they'll be summarily discharged.

How would that be a better outcome?
 
That's cool.

He was told to ask. He did, I gather fully expecting none of his pilots to take the assignment. That's his job as a manager.

AND he had the fortitude to put his name on the internet and explain himself too. That's certainly a good thing that shows integrity.

But say he refused to ask, on principle, gets fired and replaced by a guy who outright says that if the pilots don't fly the cargo, they'll be summarily discharged.

How would that be a better outcome?

Also...and nobody will ever know this except the people he called and himself: How hard to he really try to sell the pilots on taking this work? If he called and said "Hey...I have been told to call and feel you out on this steaming pile of an idea" it is a lot different than calling and saying "I have an exciting opportunity for you!"
 
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