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Oh totally cool. So you fly the only AMF run where your show time, and the time you are in your car headed home is 4 hours?
 
You literally just described 12+ hour duty days, and defended your dismal pay. If you ever get to a company with a pilots union, the pilot group is gonna hate you.
 
Inverted said:
Oh totally cool. So you fly the only AMF run where your show time, and the time you are in your car headed home is 4 hours?
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In BUR, on the Santa Barbra run, yes. In BQN, 7-12 hours from when I step out of my front door until I step in again. I was TDY for the BUR one though and refused to do the 5:30 reserve. Show at 1530, done at 1700-1730
 
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You literally just described 12+ hour duty days, and defended your dismal pay. If you ever get to a company with a pilots union, the pilot group is gonna hate you.
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Show me the regional that gives you a day room or even a lounge everyday. What does a 2-3 year regional Captain make these days? Not only do they rarely exist but, oh wow, such an astonishing amount! :rolleyes:

Pay and work can always be better. I HATE our base at the moment. I Used to fly 2-3 days a week. Back to 5. I'm not sure where you are drawing that conclusion from.
 
Why are we comparing AMF to a regional? Who said anything about a regional? Just look at other flying jobs in general. Nobody else gets thrown into a ratty room all day other than freight. Why would I need a day lounge when I fly to my destination, or destinations, then I go to a nice hotel when I'm done, or if it's a day trip I go home. Pretty simple logistics here. Oh and also the salary is what it should be. Flying 1.4, 8 hour sit, then another 1.4 racks up to be an 11 hour day and that's not including pre and post flight, loading cargo, or delays. So how does that work out to 8 hours of pay?
 
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Why are we comparing AMF to a regional? Who said anything about a regional? Just look at other flying jobs in general. Nobody else gets thrown into a ratty room all day other than freight. Why would I need a day lounge when I fly to my destination, or destinations, then I go to a nice hotel when I'm done, or if it's a day trip I go home. Pretty simple logistics here. Oh and also the salary is what it should be. Flying 1.4, 8 hour sit, then another 1.4 racks up to be an 11 hour day and that's not including pre and post flight, loading cargo, or delays. So how does that work out to 8 hours of pay?
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My bad. Threw the regional thing in there myself. You're right regarding a lot other 135 ops I suppose.

I still don't think most of the runs at AMF are more than 8 hours of work though. We'll agree to disagree if flying for less than 2 hours, doing nothing for 6 hours or more, somewhere comfortable, flying 2 hours or less to get home, is more than 8 hours of work. Compared to a typical day at a lot places, that's just not bad. I haven't seen a crap hotel/lounge in the system so far. Are they resorts? No, but virtually disease free so far. :) I haven't been to Oakland, Cincinnati, or ALL of the outstations though. Where were you based again?

You know we got "raises" right? :) In all seriousness, there are dozens of entry level 135s that pay a lot less, and some that pay a little more(yes, a LITTLE more these days) and have far worse working conditions. This isn't the same Ameriflight anymore. The pay is higher, there's more support and communication, and a lot of the crap layovers are gone. Some of the non-sense is still here, yes. It's still not "OMG fantastic", nor will it ever be, and some runs/bases are better/worse than others. The ones that are better, the pay for the work is pretty good. Especially for what they are. Entry level 135.
 
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Bingo. If I am somewhere because the company made me, it's work.

Regardless, Merry Christmas and happy holidays to my former, current, and future AMF brothers!
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I hear what you're saying. Just being a pain in the ass. Our usual late night back and forth. :)

Merry Christmas!
 
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I get the point. Of course you're not on the clock if you have to adhere to FARs or company procedure regarding alcohol before going on duty. However there is nobody on this planet who is talented enough to argue against me on sitting in a crew apartment for several hours not being off time. I'm in a hotel tonight, should the company not pay me because I'm not flying? Hell no!
 
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I get the point. Of course you're not on the clock if you have to adhere to FARs or company procedure regarding alcohol before going on duty. However there is nobody on this planet who is talented enough to argue against me on sitting in a crew apartment for several hours not being off time. I'm in a hotel tonight, should the company not pay me because I'm not flying? Hell no!
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I don't at all disagree. I was just chiming in because I thought the concept of "off" == "no beer" was funny.
 
What do/did you guys do on your layovers other than sleep? I am finding myself a bit stir crazy sitting here in a hotel all day long.
 
Finhunter89 said:
What do/did you guys do on your layovers other than sleep? I am finding myself a bit stir crazy sitting here in a hotel all day long.
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I slept, did laundry, grocery shopping...stuff I didn't want to waste my weekend doing...

I went to the movies or explored if I had a crew car. For the most part my layover was my time. I can count on one hand of the times I got called from the layover to do anything related to work.
 
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What do/did you guys do on your layovers other than sleep? I am finding myself a bit stir crazy sitting here in a hotel all day long.
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Explore the Area (unless it truly sucks), work out, go on photo safaris, hang with friends in the area, movies, books, hiking, research better jobs on the computer, Tinder, JC, and of course sleep.

I just imagine I have a bunch of hours to do whatever I want, then figure out what I wanna do on that particular day, and then I do it!
 
I got that letter myself and am interested to see where this lawsuit goes. My time with AMF saw some general abuses of pilot's good nature. You are paid 40 hours a week no matter how many hours you worked or sat around in the crash pad. The object of the game was to not get shifts that worked you for more than 6 hours a day. Because of the nature of some runs or bases there were pilots working 10+ hours or 6 days a week for 40 hour/week pay. I was mostly able to avoid these long duty days or runs, but pilots that were forced to that schedule should have gotten paid then or hopefully get paid once the law suit settles.


We're all going to be rich when this is over.
 
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