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UAL747400 said:
Instead of sucking the regional teet. Maybe you should compare pay checks...

I'm not denying certain QOL arguments, but YOU are quite idiotic in comparing AMF to the regionals for pay. No reason anyone isn't getting into a Metro or even a Brasilia within a year these days.

Under the old payscale, AMF pilols are ahead at the 2 year mark, Under the new payscale, it's around 3-4 years before the regional guys catch you.

By my personal experience. No one is catching me until they are a 3 year FO RIGHT NOW or captain at Delta. Most of that is AMF pay. You guys hate AMF and that is really REALLY cute and obvious!
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And you are an AMF cheerleader and that's cute and obvious ;)

I don't hate AMF, I said that using the pay argument to defend AMF is idiotic, and your post proves my point beautifully.

So you make the equivalent of a year 3 FO at Delta? Is that what you're saying? I just want to make sure I understand correctly.
 
Inverted said:
And you are an AMF cheerleader and that's cute and obvious ;)

I don't hate AMF, I said that using the pay argument to defend AMF is idiotic, and your post proves my point beautifully.

So you make the equivalent of a year 3 FO at Delta? Is that what you're saying? I just want to make sure I understand correctly.
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Total compensation, about 3k short. Yes :)
 
z987k said:
First year pay is irrelevant. A Metro captain at AMF makes more than a 1st year FO at UPS. And no one from AMF is going to a major. So it's a massive massive loss in career earning to do AMF.
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Agreed. Pay is irrelevant period at a first professional career job like a regional or AMF. The pay sucks at both. A more realistic argument would be comparing pay scales over 3 years from now, and you'll see most regionals upgrading you at year 2 so you'll be making CA pay and logging 121 pic time.

Comparing first year pay at almost any 121 isn't gonna be good except the legacys that have recently approved TAs
 
UAL747400 said:
Paritially in agreement. W2s the last 3 years at AMF. 30k, 44k (old pay scale),105k gross (new pay scale with FOs in the Metros). The possibility could be 57k, 105k these days now. Not necessarily typical and the fact that I'm most likely topped out, maybe you're right...

Haven't personally known anyone to break 40k their first year at the reagionals though. No Skywest or Compass guy has made more as an FO there vs a 120 FO here yet. Don't be an idiot, you haven't... It's already documented.
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I took a 20 grand pay cut when I left AMF. In 1.5 years after leaving, I've exceeded AMF's new payscale. This industry is a gamble. I gambled that the loss on income would not affect me long term in the current pilots' market.

It's like ripping off a band aid. Eventually you're going to have to take a deep breath and just do it.

I'm not saying go run to your nearest regional. But I am saying don't expect to make what you're making at AMF for a couple of years after leaving.

As much as I miss flying the bro and metro, I wouldn't want to be sweating it out 5 days a week in Kingston or Cancun right now. I was thinking of maybe doing a little PTOC on my time off. But when I think about being hot all the time and dealing with the daily grind of flying boxes, I much rather pick up some contract flying in my nice air conditioned modern aircraft. Plus, the going rate is 1000 bucks domestic and 1200 bucks international per day for contract flying in the aircraft im in right now.
 
KLB said:
I took a 20 grand pay cut when I left AMF. In 1.5 years after leaving, I've exceeded AMF's new payscale. This industry is a gamble. I gambled that the loss on income would not affect me long term in the current pilots' market.

It's like ripping off a band aid. Eventually you're going to have to take a deep breath and just do it.

I'm not saying go run to your nearest regional. But I am saying don't expect to make what you're making at AMF for a couple of years after leaving.

As much as I miss flying the bro and metro, I wouldn't want to be sweating it out 5 days a week in Kingston or Cancun right now. I was thinking of maybe doing a little PTOC on my time off. But when I think about being hot all the time and dealing with the daily grind of flying boxes, I much rather pick up some contract flying in my nice air conditioned modern aircraft. Plus, the going rate is 1000 bucks domestic and 1200 bucks international per day for contract flying in the aircraft im in right now.
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See I never understood the golden handcuff syndrome that some AMF pilots do or did. It's not a career company. I left early to not take a paycut which was fortunate for me. I figured everyone went to AMF with the understanding that at some point you'll have to probably take a paycut when you leave for career progression.

All of the above is right on. It's not about hating AMF, but being realistic. @UAL don't take it so personal. It's your career, do what you want with it.


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Inverted said:
See I never understood the golden handcuff syndrome that some AMF pilots do or did. It's not a career company. I left early to not take a paycut which was fortunate for me. I figured everyone went to AMF with the understanding that at some point you'll have to probably take a paycut when you leave for career progression.

All of the above is right on. It's not about hating AMF, but being realistic. @UAL don't take it so personal. It's your career, do what you want with it.


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Well up until recently, the only option was regionals unless you were lucky enough to go corporate that didn't require you to have a type in hand...and those gigs were usually crappy. With the wave of hiring happening at major, it's causing a ripple effect throughout the rest of the industry.

I like to compare myself to @jtrain609 when I look at the regional route vs where Im currently located in the industry.

We started at AMF about the same time and jumped to the regionals at about the 1 year mark while I stuck it out for 8 years.

After a long furlough bid and a jump to his second regional, he finally made captain.

Meanwhile, I progress through the ranks at AMF earning to types and a bunch of TPIC and PIC time. Then I jumped to a middle of the road 135 operator charter before landing a pretty good gig where I made captain in less than a year.

We both have progressed, but @jtrain609 still sucks at life. :)


......and he's a hack.
 
Well aviation is such a gamble. You never know, you could have left 4 years ago and be farther along, or be making more money than you are now. Certainly your current job sounds great so it's all a win IMHO. If jtrain could go back, would he have stayed at AMF? I wouldn't have done anything different. I left 4 years ago and I work for a pretty good company now, and it will hold me over until the majors call. If I would have stayed at AMF longer would I have been better off? I can't possibly see a scenario where I could say yes.

KLB you started at AMF during a terrible time in aviation, and I joined a couple of years later. Your 8 year stay at AMF is quite a bit different than the current crop staying for even 3-4 years. It isn't the same industry.
 
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The entire industry went stagnant after that. The point is, folks HAVE left AMF for bigger things. AMF is a small piece of the pie when legacy carriers are looking for jobs to fill. While it won't ever be THE place to step to a Legacy its not impossible either.
 
citabriapilot said:
The entire industry went stagnant after that. The point is, folks HAVE left AMF for bigger things. AMF is a small piece of the pie when legacy carriers are looking for jobs to fill. While it won't ever be THE place to step to a Legacy its not impossible either.
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You live!! How's Florida?
 
Things are great, finally out of management after 7 years now and just taking care of a single plane. Your number still the same?
 
I haven't found anything relating to this question, but I apologize if it's been answered already.

I've been offered a position flying the 99 out of Buffalo. Does anyone know what the daily route/schedule is like out of buffalo? Thanks in advance!

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Deano5 said:
I haven't found anything relating to this question, but I apologize if it's been answered already.

I've been offered a position flying the 99 out of Buffalo. Does anyone know what the daily route/schedule is like out of buffalo? Thanks in advance!

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Wiggens took over Potsdam and Plattsburgh for awhile. Those were the only good flight time runs in the 99. I don't know if we are planning on taking them back or not now that staffing is almost fine again.

Flight aware is still showing Wiggin's Bandit flying Plattsburgh
 
I saw they have a Beech 1900 position open in Seattle. I'm looking to move up that way. What's the current pay scale? I did some searching around, and found some conflicting info. Is it based out of BFI?

I'd also fly the Metro again, if I had to, but wouldn't like it. :)
 
mojo6911 said:
I saw they have a Beech 1900 position open in Seattle. I'm looking to move up that way. What's the current pay scale? I did some searching around, and found some conflicting info. Is it based out of BFI?

I'd also fly the Metro again, if I had to, but wouldn't like it. :)
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I'm pretty shocked that they are looking for a direct hire for a 1900 for seattle.Seattle is one of the best bases at AMF and if they are having a hard time filling a 1900 spot there I can only imagine the staffing issues they are having. when i was there almost 3 years ago there was two 1900 schedules. One was for Yakima, WA and it was BFI based. The other one was an outstation based out of Bellingham, WA. During the week you were flying out of BFI in the morning and back in BFI in the evening. on saturday morning you would end up in bellingham and monday afternoon you would fly back to BFI. The guy that worked that schedule when I was there lived in Seattle and would drive back to seattle every weekend. Its only a few hours on the road. I'm not sure what the pay is and i'm sure you would be better of looking at horizon if you are moving to the area.
 
mojo6911 said:
I saw they have a Beech 1900 position open in Seattle. I'm looking to move up that way. What's the current pay scale? I did some searching around, and found some conflicting info. Is it based out of BFI?

I'd also fly the Metro again, if I had to, but wouldn't like it. :)
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Totally keeping the AMF debate aside, why would you go to a place like AMF with your qualifications instead looking for a company that home bases you, and you can just live where ever you want?
 
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