Ameriflight is Hiring Part 135 Captains - ABQ and CVG

Maurus said:
Each part of the aviation industry has different dynamics when working out pay. AMF is still on the low end for cargo but it is better.

Overall stay away from CVG. Other bases aren't too bad but CVG has the worst schedules. 6-7 day work weeks were the norm while I was there. Also we worked the worst hours since it is hub based. No extra pay for the crazy hours or the radioactive flights they do. (Both actually reduce lifespans BTW)

Schedules are based on what the ACP wants . Seniority means nothing. The schedule overall is rotational but really sucks having to constantly sit airport reserve overnight.

The current CP for the company seems to be making some big strides in improving the safety culture. I believe the Director of Safety that gave me step by step instructions on how to fly a BE99 without autofeather is now gone.
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It's all flying an airplane. I don't, and never will understand why to some it's ok to work for a regional @ 22k a year to start, but not fly right seat in a corporate jet for that. In fact that degrades the profession only because of what the salary survey says.

Keep in mind I would do neither. I'm on my first flying job and it pays considerably more than that, and I held out outside of aviation until I could make a wage I can afford to live on. I just like to politely point out whenever possible that there are double standards which make zero sense. 91,135,121, there is no LOGICAL reason why it should be ok to work for less at one and not at the other just because that's what everyone else is doing.

Not judging, just trying to point out flawed logic.
 
Bonanzaman said:
Not judging, just trying to point out flawed logic.
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I understand how it can seem flawed but the way each industry has formed and matured is what makes them so different.

No one says it is alright to make $22k first year, the problem is no one is willing to give something up so first year peeps can get more money.
 
The reason that some people defend a $22k regional job is that the pay a few years down the road is likely much more, and the job has some security to it. Sure, there are regionals that went under, but most corporate gigs fell apart at the same time. Corporate gigs are like mercenary work, where airlines are like a career. Get as much money as fast as you can in corporate, but as time passes, you make more and more money with airlines.
 
Boyington said:
The reason that some people defend a $22k regional job is that the pay a few years down the road is likely much more, and the job has some security to it. Sure, there are regionals that went under, but most corporate gigs fell apart at the same time. Corporate gigs are like mercenary work, where airlines are like a career. Get as much money as fast as you can in corporate, but as time passes, you make more and more money with airlines.
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I don't personally know any airline pilots but their salaries are posted online. I do know quite a few corporate pilots who have been in it a looong time and they are doing well and I don't know any who would consider leaving for the airlines.

With my current situation I definitely understand the job security issue first hand, but it's kinda like owning your own business. There's more risk but also the possibility for more reward.

I should also say that I'm in a weird location where the economy is backwards from the rest of the country so my opinion doesn't reflect what others are dealing with and I get that.
 
Maurus said:
I understand how it can seem flawed but the way each industry has formed and matured is what makes them so different.

No one says it is alright to make $22k first year, the problem is no one is willing to give something up so first year peeps can get more money.
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That the industries have developed differently, no matter the circumstances, does not make it logical. Flying a plane is flying a plane. When that airplane has two turbine or jet engines with people in the back most can see how that deserves greater compensation. Because people have accepted the fact that they'll make less to make more later doesn't make it logical.

I get where you're coming from. I'm also not coming at this with any anger or aggression, but you are basically saying, "It's ok because...that's just the way it is, don't you understand?"
 
It developed that way because people will work for that amount of money in return for the benefits. Most of the best corporate jobs (the ones that pay the most) want prior 121 PIC time. Not all, but most of the good ones that I have seen lately. I think that has a lot to do with the WalMart airplane crash and the Hendrick Race Team crash. If you are putting millions of dollars in to a corporate flight department, and entrusting it with your CEO, wouldn't you want someone with 10,000 hours of experience in jets. Of course you would. And where do you get that experience.... airlines. There are certainly entry level corporate gigs that require less, but they also pay less.

Most corporate gigs also look at the FO as merely a requirement. Many (again, the high paying ones) will street hire captains with years of experience as an airline captain rather than upgrade a FO.

I am speaking based on knowledge of private flight departments owned by large companies, and not necessarily the hire-a-jet companies.
 
Boyington said:
It developed that way because people will work for that amount of money in return for the benefits. Most of the best corporate jobs (the ones that pay the most) want prior 121 PIC time. Not all, but most of the good ones that I have seen lately. I think that has a lot to do with the WalMart airplane crash and the Hendrick Race Team crash. If you are putting millions of dollars in to a corporate flight department, and entrusting it with your CEO, wouldn't you want someone with 10,000 hours of experience in jets. Of course you would. And where do you get that experience.... airlines. There are certainly entry level corporate gigs that require less, but they also pay less.

Most corporate gigs also look at the FO as merely a requirement. Many (again, the high paying ones) will street hire captains with years of experience as an airline captain rather than upgrade a FO.

I am speaking based on knowledge of private flight departments owned by large companies, and not necessarily the hire-a-jet companies.
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Like I said I live in a different part of the country, but none of that seems to be true here.

My only point is that it does not make sense to say it's ok to accept X amount of pay in one part of the industry but not ok to accept the same X amount of pay when you're basically doing the same job.

I'm not saying one side is better than the other, or that any of these jobs are wrong, I'm saying the judgment I often see here on the internet is illogical. If it's ok to take job X part 21 for X amount of money, those folks should stop shi++ing on folks taking 91 jobs doing the same job for the same money like it's their job to crap on them, and acting like they didn't do the same thing to "the industry" just because a whole bunch of other people did it before them.
 
Basically I don't see a whole lot of 91 guys crapping on freight and regional pilots for accepting low wages so they can get ahead thus destroying the profession. I do however see the opposite.
 
Ever heard of the 121 stench??? "Most of the best corporate jobs want 121"???? What rock are you living under? Get a clue
 
Boyington said:
It developed that way because people will work for that amount of money in return for the benefits. Most of the best corporate jobs (the ones that pay the most) want prior 121 PIC time. Not all, but most of the good ones that I have seen lately. I think that has a lot to do with the WalMart airplane crash and the Hendrick Race Team crash. If you are putting millions of dollars in to a corporate flight department, and entrusting it with your CEO, wouldn't you want someone with 10,000 hours of experience in jets. Of course you would. And where do you get that experience.... airlines. There are certainly entry level corporate gigs that require less, but they also pay less.

Most corporate gigs also look at the FO as merely a requirement. Many (again, the high paying ones) will street hire captains with years of experience as an airline captain rather than upgrade a FO.

I am speaking based on knowledge of private flight departments owned by large companies, and not necessarily the hire-a-jet companies.
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Do you have any clue how corporate aviation actually works??? Hire 121 street cps rather than upgrading fo's??? You are speaking out of your rectum....
 
No one gives two ***** on how well you can fly an airplane!!! A monkey can be taught to fly....biggest lesson for everyone wanting into corporate, it's not what you know, it's who you know.
 
Inverted said:
Actually more corporate flight departments hate 121 guys. I have never seen 121 PIC time in any jet 91 or 135 job posting.
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Ah yes. I've come across that a couple of times. Always a great sign for me to run away as quickly as possible, as it's a sign of other, more fundamental problems with the flight department mangagement.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Ah yes. I've come across that a couple of times. Always a great sign for me to run away as quickly as possible, as it's a sign of other, more fundamental problems with the flight department mangagement.
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Which direction? Hiring 121 guys and leaving or the other way?

I know one flight department that won't hire 121 guys because they have been screwed over several times. Nothing like giving someone a type only to bolt a few months later when a recall letter arrives.
 
Boyington said:
It developed that way because people will work for that amount of money in return for the benefits. Most of the best corporate jobs (the ones that pay the most) want prior 121 PIC time. Not all, but most of the good ones that I have seen lately. I think that has a lot to do with the WalMart airplane crash and the Hendrick Race Team crash. If you are putting millions of dollars in to a corporate flight department, and entrusting it with your CEO, wouldn't you want someone with 10,000 hours of experience in jets. Of course you would. And where do you get that experience.... airlines. There are certainly entry level corporate gigs that require less, but they also pay less.

Most corporate gigs also look at the FO as merely a requirement. Many (again, the high paying ones) will street hire captains with years of experience as an airline captain rather than upgrade a FO.

I am speaking based on knowledge of private flight departments owned by large companies, and not necessarily the hire-a-jet companies.
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When did Walmart have a crash?
 
Maurus said:
Which direction? Hiring 121 guys and leaving or the other way?

I know one flight department that won't hire 121 guys because they have been screwed over several times. Nothing like giving someone a type only to bolt a few months later when a recall letter arrives.
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So the fact that people are running away from the flight dept at their first chance isn't a sign the gig has some issues?

My last corporate flight department was staffed with former 121 guys, and the place I'm currently interviewing at has seen my 121 experience as a positive. Of course, I've done my best to spin it in a positive light (structured flying, excellent training, etc.).

I know there are places out there that throw around the "airline stink" deal, and I think that's great! It keeps people like me, that have very little tolerance for BS, from wasting their time with such companies.
 
Bonanzaman said:
Like I said I live in a different part of the country, but none of that seems to be true here.

My only point is that it does not make sense to say it's ok to accept X amount of pay in one part of the industry but not ok to accept the same X amount of pay when you're basically doing the same job.

I'm not saying one side is better than the other, or that any of these jobs are wrong, I'm saying the judgment I often see here on the internet is illogical. If it's ok to take job X part 21 for X amount of money, those folks should stop shi++ing on folks taking 91 jobs doing the same job for the same money like it's their job to crap on them, and acting like they didn't do the same thing to "the industry" just because a whole bunch of other people did it before them.
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My perspective on the pay disparity goes something like this:

At a regional your training is paid for (not true for all 135 or 91 operators), you aren't expected to be on call 24/7, you don't interact with the passengers as much and your duties are more strictly defined. This all amounts to less pay vs the 135/91 counterpart. Is it logical or fair? No. Is it easier for regionals to get away with paying new hire Fo's less? Obviously it isn't that big of an issue if they keep finding people to fill seats. But hopefully that has started to change with the new ATP rules.

I take it Am flight can't fill these captain seats from within since they are posting jobs for street captains.

Are the other part 91/135 operators starting to notice a shortage of applicants? I'm curious if anyone has any first hand knowledge of this.

Like others have said I've also worked for a charter company that hired people with 121 experience. They actually valued that time and would model their training after the 121 guys as best they could.

A good well run company will hire you based on your personal merits. Not some stigma based on previous experience.
 
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