Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Unfortunately, recent history and the current regional model is not on your side.
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Unfortunately, recent history and the current regional model is not on your side.
eightballfreight
Mission accomplished
You vote yes at psa and immediately bail for a major, now you wish them luck.
Thanks?
Thanks?
HVYMETALDRVR
Well-Known Member
No.
Talked to two of my AE friends yesterday, and they're both fairly confident it won't. Comair IIRC didn't take concessions before they were shut down. Now will management at Regional A backstab Regional B? Of course, but management and labor are two different things, I don't think this concessionary contract will get past the union. Just like our crappy LBFO.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
Bingo. Although I would have never considered pinnacle as their upgrade time was a lot longer than Colgan in 2008.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Well if you want to play this game and think my posts are in bad taste, let me remind you of a few things.
When you were hired in 2007 at PCL they already owned Colgan. If you were sooooooooo concerned with getting the quick TPIC time and you are sooooooo smart, then you could have come to Colgan instead. But you didn't and now are blaming others who were at Colgan BEFORE the purchase was even announced.
When the merger occurred, I didn't sit on the sidelines, I joined the ALPA Organizing Committee to try to build unity, and prevent a whipsaw to help protect my fellow pilots at Pinnacle. If you were so concerned about making sure you were protected, you sure as hell didn't show it. I didn't see you at any organizing events in 2007 or 2008 volunteering on your days off to make sure the bar is raised and your upgrade was protected.
Finally, you are also being hypocritical saying, "bottom line is guys who went to lower paying regionals and got their time moved on", you didn't have any TPIC when you moved on, you were boasting on the internal board that if you can move on others can do it, so what is your point? Or do you not have one (again)?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I was in IOE December 2007 then got Christmas week off. My first reserve month and therefore the first month officially on the line was Jan 2008. And I believe it was due to misinformation but I was under the impression I couldn't help in any way until off probation which was 1 year. By the time Jan 2009 rolled around things had already rolled downhill (recession and Colgan Qs). While you may have helped to "protect" 9E and help in unity, I can assure you a guy whose name is somewhat close to Ketchup did the exact opposite with the merger committee and trying to screw them out of 1.5-2 months seniority by fighting for the sim DOH instead of the industry standard class DOH. You'll have to excuse me if I wasn't so lovey/feely with 9L.
My point is your posts come off from what others are perceiving as a much higher horse than where you should be. Congrats for where you got but your tone sounds condescending to the others below you. At least my anger is directed at where it belonged: 9L and XJ.
P.S., I didn't boast about no TPIC moving on. That was Capt AR with his post with the Russian translation thing.
People have certainly managed to move on without any TPIC, and the reasons why are outside the scope of this conversation. If I remember correctly CC is at VA and got hired out of the blue, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
But by and large having the TPIC box checked is a better way to get your résumé to stand out. It would be interesting to see a comparison of how many guys with and without TPIC have gotten hired at various places.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Firebird2XC said:
#awesome
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Yes, I applied to every airline out there. Some of those airlines I didn't even know existed (like Aloha Air Cargo). Anything beyond the regional level I had my applications out for. I was never waiting for any one particular airline to call me or hire me. Beggars can't be choosers, so I threw all my darts out. The VX email was a cold call because I received the interview and job without any internal recs, no job fair, etc.
So out of probably 15 applications, I got one bite. I can bet though that with above 1000TPIC I probably would have gotten a lot more nibbles. So yes, having the TPIC box checked is definitely valuable!
block30
Well-Known Member
Right, and that is unfortunate. Having umteen regionals around to serve a few mainline carriers is no accident. I really wish you Eagle folks the best. Its been a helluva turbulent time for you recently.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
It does and it doesn't. If the majors/lccs use it as a screener then you won't get a call until you have it because no human ever sees your application to check out your requirements. As far as what happens AFTER you get the 1000 (or whatever the magic screening number is)... who knows. That's up the the black magic of HR departments everywhere.
As far as how CC may have escaped to VX with so little time... At the time he was hired they were actually running out of applicants (who qualified with total time) because so many people failed their personality screening test they gave before inviting you to an interview. I failed it the first time I took it and was frozen out for a year. I sat next to the base CP several times commuting to work and back during that year and every time he commented on how few qualified applicants they were getting in to interviews. Right around then they lowered either the total time or PIC time requirement and then eventually dropped the PIC time requirement. After my year freeze I reapplied, retested and then finally interviewed and had about the highest times in my interview group and certainly the most PIC, which felt very strange considering I only about 3000 of TPIC at that point.
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Soooo... did you get an offer of employment after that?
Seggy
Well-Known Member
You are absolutely correct that you can't help out unless you are off probation. But, that plays nicely into my other point. The purchase of Pinnacle was announced in January 2007, so if you were hired in the fall of 2007, you came to Pinnacle knowing about the purchase. If you were so smart and knew at the time that Colgan was going to grow because we were subpar, had the Q400 orders, then why didn't you go to Colgan?
Well, you will need to excuse me to remind you that before we go down that road, your merger committee wanted to staple the Colgan guys.
My point is your posts come off from what others are perceiving as a much higher horse than where you should be. Congrats for where you got but your tone sounds condescending to the others below you. At least my anger is directed at where it belonged: 9L and XJ.
No I am just saying it is like it is. Thanks to Republican backed Bankruptcy laws that lowered the bar at Pinnacle, other airlines are feeling the squeeze.
It sucks.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Oh that is a story.......
Seggy
Well-Known Member
People have to remember, that for years, the only places that required TPIC were SWA, FEDEX, and UPS.
Do United, Delta, or Airways/American have that requirement?
X-Forces
Big Black Guy
I don't know if it is completely meaningless, but it is not the silver bullet that it might have been once. I certainly takes more then TPIC to get considered, but like Bob mentioned, it might take the TPIC just to get a look at some carriers. I have flown with a few captains that were, how shall I say, unhappy that I managed to get on with B6 with no TPIC when they have had apps in for years.