American Eagle question.....

[Lead Sled]

you pick your domicile, Aircraft assigned first day of class...all domiciles and all equipment are up for grabs. Well almost.

wait a second. could someone clarify this for me? Do you get to pick a domicile for any airline you might get hired at? For example, I get hired by TSA, I pick to be based in Richmond over St. Louis. I thought you just got landed wherever you were most needed.

 

[ADIZFlyboy]

is miami all atrs or do they base any erj's out of there?

 

[ATOflyer]

is miami all atrs or do they base any erj's out of there?

MIA is all ATR.

 

[blee256]

wait a second. could someone clarify this for me? Do you get to pick a domicile for any airline you might get hired at? For example, I get hired by TSA, I pick to be based in Richmond over St. Louis. I thought you just got landed wherever you were most needed.

You get to pick your domicile at any airline you go to, whether or not you get it, thats a different story. Most if not all airlines, picking domociles is based on seniority. So at TSA if you want richmond, you might ahve to stick it out in St. louis for a while first before your senioirty will allow you to hold Richmond.

Right now, eagle is offering "choose your domicile" as an incentive to get more applicants. I dont know how it all works, but it seems like if you choose a senior domicile, you may have to wait a while before you start indoc, until a vacancy in that domocile opens up.

 

[brent p h]

You get to pick your domicile at any airline you go to, whether or not you get it, thats a different story. Most if not all airlines, picking domociles is based on seniority. So at TSA if you want richmond, you might ahve to stick it out in St. louis for a while first before your senioirty will allow you to hold Richmond.

Right now, eagle is offering "choose your domicile" as an incentive to get more applicants. I dont know how it all works, but it seems like if you choose a senior domicile, you may have to wait a while before you start indoc, until a vacancy in that domocile opens up.

Seems like DFW would be a logical choice because it is pretty much in the middle of the country.

 

[CFII2008]

As far as assignment (which you pick your domicile, Aircraft assigned first day of class)...all domiciles and all equipment are up for grabs. Well almost.

DFW-ERJ/CRJ/Saab
ORD- ERJ/CRJ
BOS- ERJ
LGA- ERJ
LAX - ERJ/Saab - not much movement....u can request it....but might be a while for a class date
MIA - ATR - not much movement....u can request it....but might be a while for a class date
SJU - ATR

As far as which aircraft? Whatever they need at the time. I got the CRJ.

So if you pick LAX and want the ERJ, you can just wait until it becomes available? They don't "force" you to take the ATR? Approx how long is the wait now?

 

[Lead Sled]

You get to pick your domicile at any airline you go to, whether or not you get it, thats a different story. Most if not all airlines, picking domociles is based on seniority. So at TSA if you want richmond, you might ahve to stick it out in St. louis for a while first before your senioirty will allow you to hold Richmond.

Right now, eagle is offering "choose your domicile" as an incentive to get more applicants. I dont know how it all works, but it seems like if you choose a senior domicile, you may have to wait a while before you start indoc, until a vacancy in that domocile opens up.

thanks, though I'll probably end up willing to relocate to the North Pole if it would get me hired!

 

[determined2fly]

Please tell me this is a joke or just a "scenario?" Bc in order to get hired there wouldnt you need like, oh I dont know, a multi engine rating? Which if you had one of those you would have like 8 hours or 10 hours of multi....They must need pilots really bad....

A captain at American airlines told me guys were getting hired at Eagle for a little over 300 hours...I have read less hours in some blogs.

 

[cfii2007]

Will they hire with less than 50 multi?

 

[ready2fly]

So if you pick LAX and want the ERJ, you can just wait until it becomes available? They don't "force" you to take the ATR? Approx how long is the wait now?

The ERJ in LAX is very senior. I've not heard of the ERJ being offered in LAX right off the bat.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[crashmbern]

i don't think anyone has ever been given it right off the bat. I think there was someone that got it who was a fairly new hire but was originally put in DFW. LAX is very very senior. I think someone with 2 years is easily still sitting reserve. This is for the ERJ, the saab is obviously a bit more junior.

 

[CFII2008]

What is it like to be on reserve for a long period of time? How much flying do you do?

 

[ready2fly]

What is it like to be on reserve for a long period of time? How much flying do you do?

I can answer this question from personal experience!! :buck:

And that answer is: Depends.

Depends on where you are based.

Depends on what airframe you are flying.

Depends on whether or not you are commuting or living in base.

Depends on staffing.

Now, from my personal experience, I was on reserve for 21 months on the CRJ in DFW. For the first year, I flew an average of 30 hours a month. I moved my family here when I got hired, so I wouldn't have to commute. Life wasn't bad. There were days that I was on call, but didn't get called = I got paid (albeit not much) to be with my family.

(NOTE: a fellow user who is a captain at another airline gave me a rash of sh** about this. Guess my priorities = my family - are far different from his....but, I digress..).

Pilots that were hired onto the EMB in DFW around the same time flew their butts off (the EMB in DFW wasn't available in my class). If they were on reserve for a six day stretch, they packed for six days and were generally gone all six days.

The pilots who bid the EMB in BOS and LGA held lines fairly quickly. Same for the pilots who bid the Saab in DFW and LAX.

The two guys that got hired onto the CRJ in DFW with me were trying to commute and hated it. They literally would spend days either sitting in the crash pad waiting on the phone to ring, or sitting standby at the airport - and not get called.

They both quit shortly after our first year anniversary.

In short: It's a QOL thing and that varies from person to person (see the above "NOTE"). What some people hate, others can tolerate and visa versa.

Right now, pilots hired a year-plus after me had different expereinces. Some of them only sat reserve for 3-4 months and are now holding lines.

Things change.

Reserve is what you make of it.

I HIGHLY recommend, however, bidding the Saab. You'll hold a line very shortly after IOE, you'll gain invaluable experience - and a ton of it - QUICKLY and generally can transition over to the EMB or CRJ after your seat lock is up.

Best of luck! Let me know if you have any further questions.

Stan

 

[CFII2008]

Thanks; would you bid "anything" out of LAX?

 

[ready2fly]

Thanks; would you bid "anything" out of LAX?

Well, they never offer the choice of "anything."

99.999999% of the time, it's the Saab.

From my understanding, if the Saab is available in LAX and you bid it and get it, you will hold a line very soon after finishing IOE, so the whole "QOL on reserve" question would be a non-issue.

Best of luck and let me know if there is anything I can do to assist you with your future career here at Eagle.

 

[SoonerAv8r]

I can answer this question from personal experience!! :buck:

And that answer is: Depends.

Depends on where you are based.

Depends on what airframe you are flying.

Depends on whether or not you are commuting or living in base.

Depends on staffing.

Now, from my personal experience, I was on reserve for 21 months on the CRJ in DFW. For the first year, I flew an average of 30 hours a month. I moved my family here when I got hired, so I wouldn't have to commute. Life wasn't bad. There were days that I was on call, but didn't get called = I got paid (albeit not much) to be with my family.

(NOTE: a fellow user who is a captain at another airline gave me a rash of sh** about this. Guess my priorities = my family - are far different from his....but, I digress..).

Pilots that were hired onto the EMB in DFW around the same time flew their butts off (the EMB in DFW wasn't available in my class). If they were on reserve for a six day stretch, they packed for six days and were generally gone all six days.

The pilots who bid the EMB in BOS and LGA held lines fairly quickly. Same for the pilots who bid the Saab in DFW and LAX.

The two guys that got hired onto the CRJ in DFW with me were trying to commute and hated it. They literally would spend days either sitting in the crash pad waiting on the phone to ring, or sitting standby at the airport - and not get called.

They both quit shortly after our first year anniversary.

In short: It's a QOL thing and that varies from person to person (see the above "NOTE"). What some people hate, others can tolerate and visa versa.

Right now, pilots hired a year-plus after me had different expereinces. Some of them only sat reserve for 3-4 months and are now holding lines.

Things change.

Reserve is what you make of it.

I HIGHLY recommend, however, bidding the Saab. You'll hold a line very shortly after IOE, you'll gain invaluable experience - and a ton of it - QUICKLY and generally can transition over to the EMB or CRJ after your seat lock is up.

Best of luck! Let me know if you have any further questions.

Stan

Would you please explain the "seat lock" regarding Saab-EMB/CRJ transition?

 

[ready2fly]

Would you please explain the "seat lock" regarding Saab-EMB/CRJ transition?

Seat lock basically means that you cannot transition from one aircraft to another (ATR/Saab to EMB/CRJ) for a pre-determined period of time.

When I was hired, seat lock was a year. I've heard that it has changed to something like a matter of months, but I'm not certain.

Note, however, if you bid the CRJ - that's it. You're on the CRJ. You cannot bid "down" to the EMB, Saab or ATR).

This is how it works:

ATR pilots can bid "up" to the Saab, EMB & CRJ

Saab pilots can bid up to EMB & CRJ

EMB pilots can bid up to CRJ.

 

[SoonerAv8r]

Seat lock basically means that you cannot transition from one aircraft to another (ATR/Saab to EMB/CRJ) for a pre-determined period of time.

When I was hired, seat lock was a year. I've heard that it has changed to something like a matter of months, but I'm not certain.

Note, however, if you bid the CRJ - that's it. You're on the CRJ. You cannot bid "down" to the EMB, Saab or ATR).

This is how it works:

ATR pilots can bid "up" to the Saab, EMB & CRJ

Saab pilots can bid up to EMB & CRJ

EMB pilots can bid up to CRJ.

So if a new hire were to bid for the Saab and recieve it... Would that equate to a shorter seniority list for Captain upgrades as well? Or is that another story altogether?
As a student set to attend a Dallas area flight school, I can see the advantages in hiring into the Saab vs an RJ. You can continue to develop and hone skills before moving into the larger, faster aircraft. I'm from Tulsa, and Eagle is at the top of my list partialy due to DFW being in such close proximity, and allowing me the flexibility to commute and crashpad it for a few months before relocating the family.

Thanks for your input. This site has been a godsend for being able to collect so much information.

 

[subpilot]

Seat lock basically means that you cannot transition from one aircraft to another (ATR/Saab to EMB/CRJ) for a pre-determined period of time.

When I was hired, seat lock was a year. I've heard that it has changed to something like a matter of months, but I'm not certain.

Note, however, if you bid the CRJ - that's it. You're on the CRJ. You cannot bid "down" to the EMB, Saab or ATR).

This is how it works:

ATR pilots can bid "up" to the Saab, EMB & CRJ

Saab pilots can bid up to EMB & CRJ

EMB pilots can bid up to CRJ.

Actually, to correct you if I may sir:

The seat lock is still one year; however, the company has been allowing SAAB FOs the option to be released from the seat lock early because they needed FOs on the jets badly. I do not think they are doing this at this time though.

As for aircraft transitions, as an FO you may only move from Prop to Jet. This means a SAAB FO can not go to ATR FO. A EMJ FO can not go to CRJ FO. So if you bid the EMJ as a new hire... THAT IS IT UNTIL YOU MAKE CAPTAIN! (you can still transfer bases as much as you like. No limit)

Once you are on the captain side you can change airframes in this order only (you can move or jump up but you can never go back down):

SAAB-->ATR-->EMJ-->CRJ (has to do with the payscales).

Hope this helps clear up the muddy water a bit.

 

[ready2fly]

So if a new hire were to bid for the Saab and recieve it... Would that equate to a shorter seniority list for Captain upgrades as well? Or is that another story altogether?

Different story altogether.

As for upgrade seniority, it's not aircraft specific. You come in on the bottom of the overall Eagle seniority list, and when everybody else above you has either upgraded or is eligible to upgrade, then it's your turn.