American Eagle is allowed to purchase 22 more CRJs

PCL_128 said:
That's always been the problem. Whenever a mainline MEC brings up the subject of one list, the regional lifers always start demanding DOH. It's ridiculous.



The 170 Captain has no career expectations beyond his 170 seat. The 190 FO has career expectations to advance into new equipment and to eventually upgrade. It wouldn't be right for the regional CA to receive a windfall and jump ahead of the mainline FOs. As long as his equipment and seat are protected with fences, he shouldn't complain about a staple.
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I think some would strongly disagree. I have yet to form a strong opinion. But, I guess in the end it will be who will be standing last. In the case of Midwest, it wasn't the "mainline" guys. The trend may not be your friend.
Either way, I hope it works out.
 
jtrain609 said:
Someone on here once said that the most equitable way to merge two seniority lists is to put both pilot groups in a large field with a bunch of blunt objects. The first guy to fall in the ensuing melee would be the last guy on the list, and the last man standing would be number one.

Seems fair to me, and it'd work a heck of a lot better than anything else unions have tried eh?
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IMO, so long as you have one union representing the interests of two different pilot groups (in the case of USAir/America West), it'll never work.

Conversly, having two separate pilot union groups might not work either, or might; but at least you don't have the one union (ALPA) with a huge conflict of interest because of the different needs and interests of who it represents. One group of "union brothers" is going to get the shaft; ESPECIALLY with staples.
 
PCL_128 said:
That's always been the problem. Whenever a mainline MEC brings up the subject of one list, the regional lifers always start demanding DOH. It's ridiculous.



The 170 Captain has no career expectations beyond his 170 seat. The 190 FO has career expectations to advance into new equipment and to eventually upgrade. It wouldn't be right for the regional CA to receive a windfall and jump ahead of the mainline FOs. As long as his equipment and seat are protected with fences, he shouldn't complain about a staple.
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Also what if that 190 FO previously was working at the same place and senior to the 170 Captain described above? I mean, should he get the shaft because he got hired a few months before they merged?
 
MikeD said:
IMO, so long as you have one union representing the interests of two different pilot groups (in the case of USAir/America West), it'll never work.
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The DAL/NWA merger went off wonderfully. ALG/PDT worked out great, too.

Conversly, having two separate pilot union groups might not work either, or might; but at least you don't have the one union (ALPA) with a huge conflict of interest because of the different needs and interests of who it represents. One group of "union brothers" is going to get the shaft; ESPECIALLY with staples.
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ALPA's merger policy prevents any conflict of interest. ALPA National doesn't get involved at all in the SLI discussions. Each group hires their own independent merger attorneys and negotiates the list for themselves. ALPA National stays out of the way and only facilitates the process. Conflict of interest isn't an issue.
 
PCL_128 said:
ALPA's merger policy prevents any conflict of interest. ALPA National doesn't get involved at all in the SLI discussions. Each group hires their own independent merger attorneys and negotiates the list for themselves. ALPA National stays out of the way and only facilitates the process. Conflict of interest isn't an issue.
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Why did US Air get rid of ALPA then? Wasn't ALPAs fault that the ruling of the arbitrator didn't go US Air's way vis-a-vis the America West ruling.
 
MikeD said:
Why did US Air get rid of ALPA then?
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Because ALPA members don't always behave rationally. The AAA MEC was completely unreasonable in their DOH demands, the arbitrator told them so, and they still wouldn't back down. The result was an SLI that they hated, and they took out their hatred on ALPA instead of on their own pilots who served on the MEC and made the bad decisions.

Wasn't ALPAs fault that the ruling of the arbitrator didn't go US Air's way vis-a-vis the America West ruling.
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No, it wasn't ALPA's fault. Their demands were unreasonable.
 
PCL_128 said:
Because ALPA members don't always behave rationally. The AAA MEC was completely unreasonable in their DOH demands, the arbitrator told them so, and they still wouldn't back down. The result was an SLI that they hated, and they took out their hatred on ALPA instead of on their own pilots who served on the MEC and made the bad decisions.



No, it wasn't ALPA's fault. Their demands were unreasonable.
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Completely unreasonable. I talked to a America West 75 Capt about while non-reving. Complete nonsense what AAA was trying to do. Whats wrong with those east guys?
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Also what if that 190 FO previously was working at the same place and senior to the 170 Captain described above? I mean, should he get the shaft because he got hired a few months before they merged?
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Good point. Possibly, especially given the last two yrs prior, he was a two year captain with 1000 Regional PIC. So given say 4-5 yrs regional experience, and 2 years mainline, he may be less experienced than a 12 -20 yr captain.

Not everyone at Mainline came from the top of the list at a regional.
 
jtrain609 said:
Someone on here once said that the most equitable way to merge two seniority lists is to put both pilot groups in a large field with a bunch of blunt objects. The first guy to fall in the ensuing melee would be the last guy on the list, and the last man standing would be number one.

Seems fair to me, and it'd work a heck of a lot better than anything else unions have tried eh?
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Reminds me of this commercial.

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granlistillo said:
How would a 20 yr captain fare with a junior new hire?
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Just fine. That is commonplace at Eagle. Most of us get along surprisingly well. The lines that I hold are typically with captains appx. 15-20+yrs.

We both benefit.. they have DECADES of experience to pass on to us.. and we teach the old fogies about I-phones and new gadgetry lol.
 
RPM said:
Just fine. That is commonplace at Eagle. Most of us get along surprisingly well. The lines that I hold are typically with captains appx. 15-20+yrs.

We both benefit.. they have DECADES of experience to pass on to us.. and we teach the old fogies about I-phones and new gadgetry lol.
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Hah. Like us junior FOs can afford new-fangled gadgetry.

The skippers have the most of THAT stuff.

I dig the experience levels of the captains I fly with. I learn something new everytime I fly.
 
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