American Airlines agrees to purchase 20 supersonic jets


“Boom says construction will start this year and the first 65- to 88-seat aircraft will come off the line in 2024. Boom has 70 orders worth 14 billion for the aircraft from United and Japan Airlines and the U.S. Air Force is looking at military applications. The company is predicting it will have 1,750 workers by 2030 and 2,400 by 2032.”

tl;dr you can skip everything below where I'm just back-of-the-envelop estimating the costs of this thing. Or also skip everything above, too, I'm not your mother.

So, $200MM for an 88-seat supersonic jet.
List price:
  • A321neo is $130MM (200 seats and 2300 nm for a full load)
  • A350-900 is listed at $317MM (306 seats and 7000 nm)
That MIA-LHR flight they mention averages $1,000 per ticket. A full-load A350 would generate ~$306,000 and cost ~$260,000 to operate ($850 per seat), leaving $46,000 ($150 profit per seat) in an ideal scenario. Then say it does that 110 times per year for 20 years (1000 hours / 9 hour flights). That's $101MM profit on a $317MM investment (again, simplifying and using list prices everywhere)

So assuming they manage to make this jet for only $200MM per unit...

To get the same ROI on $200MM the would need to earn $63.8MM. They say they can make that nine-hour flight in five hours, and let's pretend they'll have the dispatch reliability of an Airbus, that makes 200 operations per year. So they would need to net $16,000 per flight ($180 profit per seat). I'm starting to see how naive or willfully-blind VC money could get interested; that number is close-enough for "version 1".

In airlines there's a rule-of-thumb that the cost of operating a flight breaks into three very-roughly equal parts: fuel, labor, equipment & facilities & marketing, etc. (note: it's a lot easier to put the squeeze on your employees than it is the oil companies or Airbus, Boeing, or the airports). And let's say Boom's engineers are good and they get a payload fraction equivalent to an A350 (they won't because it's a smaller jet, but they might get close and blow through that $200MM cost). Fisics says their burn per seat is still going to be worse -- much worse than the A350; say 6X per seat (seriously). Lastly, let's say they tricked some Riddle grads into flying a shiny jets for the productivity of an 88-seat RJ. That's going to squeeze-around the those roughly-equal thirds quite a bit.

Again for that MIA-LHR flight, lets say:
  • $150,000 for fuel
  • $25,000 for labor
  • $25,000 for equipment et al (I dunno, read your own damn 10-K to see what it's called)
$200,000 to operate plus that $16,000 profit equals $216,000. Divided by 88 seats equals $2,450 per ticket. I'm "most confident" in that fuel number, so if the labor catches on, or the aircraft is a MX hog and the 1/3s ratio still holds, that would push the ticket price up to $5,300. To break-even with an A350!

$1,500 to $4,300 to save eight hours (out and back). It's a PR scam: get legislatures to relax supersonic aircraft restrictions so "airlines" can do more business and foster technology growth. When really its gonna be a bunch of rich nobles wang-swinging about how fast their niche-market private jets are. Megayachts for people who think Gulfstreams are too accessible.
 

“Boom says construction will start this year and the first 65- to 88-seat aircraft will come off the line in 2024. Boom has 70 orders worth 14 billion for the aircraft from United and Japan Airlines and the U.S. Air Force is looking at military applications. The company is predicting it will have 1,750 workers by 2030 and 2,400 by 2032.”

tl;dr you can skip everything below where I'm just back-of-the-envelop estimating the costs of this thing. Or also skip everything above, too, I'm not your mother.

So, $200MM for an 88-seat supersonic jet.
List price:
  • A321neo is $130MM (200 seats and 2300 nm for a full load)
  • A350-900 is listed at $317MM (306 seats and 7000 nm)
That MIA-LHR flight they mention averages $1,000 per ticket. A full-load A350 would generate ~$306,000 and cost ~$260,000 to operate ($850 per seat), leaving $46,000 ($150 profit per seat) in an ideal scenario. Then say it does that 110 times per year for 20 years (1000 hours / 9 hour flights). That's $101MM profit on a $317MM investment (again, simplifying and using list prices everywhere)

So assuming they manage to make this jet for only $200MM per unit...

To get the same ROI on $200MM the would need to earn $63.8MM. They say they can make that nine-hour flight in five hours, and let's pretend they'll have the dispatch reliability of an Airbus, that makes 200 operations per year. So they would need to net $16,000 per flight ($180 profit per seat). I'm starting to see how naive or willfully-blind VC money could get interested; that number is close-enough for "version 1".

In airlines there's a rule-of-thumb that the cost of operating a flight breaks into three very-roughly equal parts: fuel, labor, equipment & facilities & marketing, etc. (note: it's a lot easier to put the squeeze on your employees than it is the oil companies or Airbus, Boeing, or the airports). And let's say Boom's engineers are good and they get a payload fraction equivalent to an A350 (they won't because it's a smaller jet, but they might get close and blow through that $200MM cost). Fisics says their burn per seat is still going to be worse -- much worse than the A350; say 6X per seat (seriously). Lastly, let's say they tricked some Riddle grads into flying a shiny jets for the productivity of an 88-seat RJ. That's going to squeeze-around the those roughly-equal thirds quite a bit.

Again for that MIA-LHR flight, lets say:
  • $150,000 for fuel
  • $25,000 for labor
  • $25,000 for equipment et al (I dunno, read your own damn 10-K to see what it's called)
$200,000 to operate plus that $16,000 profit equals $216,000. Divided by 88 seats equals $2,450 per ticket. I'm "most confident" in that fuel number, so if the labor catches on, or the aircraft is a MX hog and the 1/3s ratio still holds, that would push the ticket price up to $5,300. To break-even with an A350!

$1,500 to $4,300 to save eight hours (out and back). It's a PR scam: get legislatures to relax supersonic aircraft restrictions so "airlines" can do more business and foster technology growth. When really its gonna be a bunch of rich nobles wang-swinging about how fast their niche-market private jets are. Megayachts for people who think Gulfstreams are too accessible.

Boom/American says it would book for a business class seat ticket, which routinely is 3-5k on that route. And most long haul plans fly the route twice a day right minus a month in mx or so. You’re numbers don’t quite add up?
 
Boom/American says it would book for a business class seat ticket, which routinely is 3-5k on that route. And most long haul plans fly the route twice a day right minus a month in mx or so. You’re numbers don’t quite add up?
I assumed an average of $1000 across all seats on an A350, making $306,000 revenue from airfare.

Looking online I seem steerage-class fares for around $800. If one assumes the “plus”/business fare is 1.5x of that, and front-class is 4x that, the revenue drops to $281,600, netting only half my first estimate.

AFAIK, long-haul aircraft are similar to pilats and accumulate around 1,000 hours of operation per year.
 
I assumed an average of $1000 across all seats on an A350, making $306,000 revenue from airfare.

Looking online I seem steerage-class fares for around $800. If one assumes the “plus”/business fare is 1.5x of that, and front-class is 4x that, the revenue drops to $281,600, netting only half my first estimate.

AFAIK, long-haul aircraft are similar to pilats and accumulate around 1,000 hours of operation per year.

3-5k per seat on Boom.

But you got it all wrong on hours and utilization. American 777 N779AN racked up 89k hours in 23 years. That’s 3990 hours per year and 1.32 cycles per day. 10.7 hours per day for 23 years.

Vietnam airlines has a A350 with the average of 2.2 cycles per day of its life so far. But I don’t have hour data on it.


 
It'll end up as a private jet, if it ever gets off the ground (pun intended). There is no end to the amount of money certain individuals are willing to spend to have the "newest" toy.
 
It'll end up as a private jet, if it ever gets off the ground (pun intended). There is no end to the amount of money certain individuals are willing to spend to have the "newest" toy.

Flex jet and Netjets already ordered 20 Aerions each. Although I’m sure a Saudi prince somewhere is already thinking about having the first Boom Business Jet conversation.




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But you got it all wrong on hours and utilization. American 777 N779AN racked up 89k hours in 23 years. That’s 3990 hours per year and 1.32 cycles per day. 10.7 hours per day for 23 years.

Vietnam airlines has a A350 with the average of 2.2 cycles per day of its life so far. But I don’t have hour data on it.
Shoot, you're right. Now I wanna sit down and re-work my estimates (eh, later when I'm not sick of looking at a screen). Thanks
 
What goes bankrupt first, AA or Boom?
Boom will use up whatever deposit AA gave them, trying to develop the product and go bankrupt. I think it's sad because I still think the demise of Concorde has left a vacuum that hasn't been filled, I do think there is a market for the airlines at a very premium price for that sort of travel. But the service on board better be more like '50s AA versus spirit or frontier today and hopefully the passengers would be as well. Time will tell.
 
Flex jet and Netjets already ordered 20 Aerions each. Although I’m sure a Saudi prince somewhere is already thinking about having the first Boom Business Jet conversation.




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Unfortunately Aerion already went bankrupt
 
Let’s see if Boom can pull it off.

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