American 767 RTO at ORD

Cptnchia said:
Not sure how you legislate away the panicky stupidity of the general public.
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Truthfully, I think there are very few cases of orderly evacuations. I think I fear an unplanned evacuation much more than an engine failure. Complete bedlam is sure to ensue no matter how “ready” and trained the crew is.
 
NFS....

The British, in their British way, proved this years ago. They staged an evacuation and offered decreasing amounts of money depending on how long it took you to bail out.

Needless to say, people beat the crap out of each other clamoring for the exits.

Granted, this from the place that married "hooligan" with a sport known for its soporific qualities (90 minutes of a clock running the wrong way and it's nil-nil! What a ripping game!).
 
chrisreedrules said:
Truthfully, I think there are very few cases of orderly evacuations. I think I fear an unplanned evacuation much more than an engine failure. Complete bedlam is sure to ensue no matter how “ready” and trained the crew is.
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Apparently when US1493 collided with a Skywest Metro in LAX with fatalities, some pax got into a fist fight beside the burning plane after the evac. After a couple borderline exhaustive searches, I have been unable to find out more info about this other than it happened. Would love to know why the hell that happened. Lol.
 
ChasenSFO said:
chrisreedrules said:
Truthfully, I think there are very few cases of orderly evacuations. I think I fear an unplanned evacuation much more than an engine failure. Complete bedlam is sure to ensue no matter how “ready” and trained the crew is.
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Apparently when US1493 collided with a Skywest Metro in LAX with fatalities, some pax got into a fist fight beside the burning plane after the evac. After a couple borderline exhaustive searches, I have been unable to find out more info about this other than it happened. Would love to know why the hell that happened. Lol.
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I flew with an FA who was working that flight recently. He didn’t make any mention of a fight but he did say the whole thing was chaos.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Apparently when US1493 collided with a Skywest Metro in LAX with fatalities, some pax got into a fist fight beside the burning plane after the evac. After a couple borderline exhaustive searches, I have been unable to find out more info about this other than it happened. Would love to know why the hell that happened. Lol.
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From wiki:

The majority of fatalities aboard USAir 1493 occurred to those seated in the front of the plane, where the post-crash fire originated in the forward cargo hold, fed by a combination of fuel from the wreckage of SkyWest 5569 and gaseous oxygen from the 737's damaged crew oxygen system. Everyone seated in row 6 or forward was either killed or sustained major injuries, while everyone aft of row 17 escaped, some with minor injuries. Only two passengers and one crew member managed to escape from the forward service (R1) door, while the main cabin (L1) door was inoperable due to damage. Only two passengers used the left over-wing exit before the fire became too intense outside the aircraft. The majority of the survivors exited via the right over-wing exit, with the rest of the surviving cabin occupants escaping through the rear service (R2) door. The rear passenger (L2) door was briefly opened during the course of the accident, but was quickly closed due to the spreading fire on that side of the aircraft. Multiple issues slowed the evacuation from the right over-wing door, including a passenger seated in the exit row who could not open the door, a brief scuffle between two men at the exit, and the seat back of the exit window seat being folded forward, partially obstructing the exit.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Apparently when US1493 collided with a Skywest Metro in LAX with fatalities, some pax got into a fist fight beside the burning plane after the evac. After a couple borderline exhaustive searches, I have been unable to find out more info about this other than it happened. Would love to know why the hell that happened. Lol.
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1493 sounds like a nightmare.
 
chrisreedrules said:
1493 sounds like a nightmare.
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Crashed into the auxiliary fire station, which is the building you see it impacted into, which wasn't in use at the time.

No one realized the Skywest plane was involved (crushed under the 737) until a CFR firefighter battling the fire with a hand line discovered a mangled propeller in the wreckage and was wondering why that was there. ATC assumed the Skywest plane had departed from the intersection already.
 
MikeD said:
Crashed into the auxiliary fire station, which is the building you see it impacted into, which wasn't in use at the time.

No one realized the Skywest plane was involved (crushed under the 737) until a CFR firefighter battling the fire with a hand line discovered a mangled propeller in the wreckage and was wondering why that was there. ATC assumed the Skywest plane had departed from the intersection already.
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That is sickening. After learning about that I still get nervous about going into position and hold.
 
Cessnaflyer said:
That is sickening. After learning about that I still get nervous about going into position and hold.
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Something comes out of nearly every accident. Rules written in blood and all. In the case of the 1493/5569 crash, intersection departure clearances at night were no longer allowed. Part of the issue was Skywest was holding in position downfield, as they were cleared to, then forgotten about. The 1493 crew wasn't looking that far downfield and even if they were, Skywest's lighting from the 6 o'clock wasn't very discernible from the surrounding centerline/edge lighting of the runway....aft white light blended in with the centerline and was much dimmer, and the position lights and anti-collision lights couldn't be seen very well from behind. One technique that some use at night when in position/hold even at beginning of runway is to offset slightly from center, but at an airport with full centerline and touchdown zone lighting just at/beyond the hold point, am not sure how completely effective it may be, but its better than nothing.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
It was in 1991. He was relatively new at the time and is in his mid 50s now. He looks a lot younger than most of them lol.
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Neat that you got to hear it first hand, I wonder if he is the one interviewed in the Air Crash Investigation episode. Latino guy?

It just blows my mind people would be fighting during an evac, especially if wiki is correct and it was AT the exit.

Somewhat related, I have actually heard the crash referenced once by a UA pilot holding in position at SFO. SFO was landing/departing 28s and the tail of a plane that exited 28R prior to the UA pilot's departure was sticking into the runway as it was behind 2 RJs also waiting to cross but elected to exit there anyway. There were a lot of planes landing on 28L, leading to about 10 minutes of night time position and hold for the UA jet on 28R. Near the end of it, he said on frequency that he was very uncomfortable sitting on the runway with all the arrivals and requested to exit right to taxiway C and hold short there. When ATC assured him the traffic would cross soon, he said, "I was in LA when a commuter got crushed one night and I don't like this stuff". Can't blame him. Especially seeing how at SFO, 4 airliners almost got turned into bowling pins by Air Canada on the taxiway he requested to exit to. Lol.
 
MikeD said:
One technique that some use at night when in position/hold even at beginning of runway is to offset slightly from center, but at an airport with full centerline and touchdown zone lighting just at/beyond the hold point, am not sure how completely effective it may be, but its better than nothing.
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I do the same thing as well. I light the thing up like a Christmas tree to make sure I am hopefully seen at all angles.
 
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