ALPA drive at Virgin
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
And yes mine was submitted. My main reason is to protect what I already have and to have a say in a merger scenario which IMO is inevitable (hello jetBlue?
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It IS, in fact, in the 70's in PHX.
People that aren't in unions talk smack about those that are in one, but when it becomes "holy crap, I'm just a cog and a cost figure in a much larger machine", suddenly, they want help and protection.
Everyone talks smack about Americans, right up until the Germans bust through the Maginot Line.
Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
Good luck homeboys. B6ALPA will support you guys with whatever we can. @Cherokee_Cruiser, DOH? Right?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
True, but I was ALPA prior at the regional. IMO I feel a lot better about being a part of ALPA now that I'm at a major versus when I did while at a regional.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
My DOH at B6 could hold JFK E190 CA.
In fact, at every single major, I'd be ok with DOH (I know it'll never happen that way with arbitrators). At Spirit, Allegiant, and jetBlue it's enough for a CA slot. At Frontier, Hawaiian, and Alaska, it is not for CA but still good enough for a FO.
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
Cherokee,
Arbitrator Bloch to do the list?
Arbitrator Bloch to do the list?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Bring it!
Another thing too, being FO and stagnated making 100k+ is a lot easier than being FO stagnated making 35k.
blee256
Well-Known Member
If VX is involved in a merger, I dont think being ALPA or not will make a difference. I know thats the play the VXOC is using to get people to vote in the union, but the size we are and how young we are, the Captains will get hosed and the FOs will make out like bandits no matter who buys or merges with us. That's just my personal opinion.
The Juice
Well-Known Member
This isn't accurate.
With ALPA, odds are you will be merging with another ALPA carrier, and subject to the ALPA merger policy for integrating your seniority lists. Without ALPA, you will be merging under McCaskill-Bond, which is essentially Allegheny-Mohawk.
Research the difference between the two and you will see that you likely have a better opportunity for a "smoother" integration when using the ALPA policy vs McCaskill-Bond.
McCaskill-Bond only requires "Fair and equitable" between the two parties. If Virgin were to be acquired by a large Legacy carrier, it would be a very simple argument for a Legacy merger committee to make by simply stating "Because we give Virgin opportunity to higher rates, larger aircraft, and longer career stability, we request this opportunity/benefit be taken into consideration when deciding on a method for seniority list integration."
ALPA requires 3 different considerations for integrating the lists, so that your status as a CA or senior FO would be taken into consideration, your career expectations (to be an A320 CA), and longevity. The policy also allows for pilot, non-voting advisors to sit on the arbitrator panel to help advise the arbitrator(s) on the decision.
WacoFan
Bigly
I said pretty much exactly what you just did in a post (motor oil) and was likened to Hitler... be careful, the mods here can be tough.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
To borrow a phrase from your (organized) flight attendant group, "Even Virgins need protection."
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Voting announced:
After reviewing the overwhelming number of cards we submitted, the NMB announced that it has authorized an election to be held from May 13 to June 4.
After reviewing the overwhelming number of cards we submitted, the NMB announced that it has authorized an election to be held from May 13 to June 4.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Starting to get better. We had a decent payraise this year matching jetBlue's 2014 rate (only wages). And we are finally upgrading again, 8 FOs for the bid closing May 1 and effective July 1. 5 new planes coming this year starting August-December and then 5 more for next year Jan-July. Financially we have turned the corner as well, successfully IPOed last December, and have been doing well. New flights from SFO to Honolulu and Maui start in the 4th quarter this year.