Allegiant Strike

HRDiva said:
So you didn't read the rules and had to pay, admitting it was "partially " your fault. What part about not reading the rules was their fault?
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Stop undermining my self-righteous, righteous indignation. I was feeling like this when all this happened you see

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I might have been in the wrong. But I still say it's BS to have to pay a $5 fee for the airline to print my boarding pass at the airport. Why should I have to do that work? Or check my bag online or be charged more? Or pay to carry on a bag, as @Derg says. If nothing else the policies are stupid. I know some fees are required to pay for costs, like the wages of the baggage handlers, but some of these prices have no justification. They know they can get it out of you. The way they make the ticket price low is take away some of the usual comforts you get for free with other airlines. Airlines like this are good if you want to go out to Vegas and spend a lot of money or down to Florida for a quick vacation. But Toby Ziegler is always right.
 
You can't turn the plane around quickly when people jam the entire contents of their closet on them. Turning the plane around is part of the process in keeping fares low.

I've been in lots of airports where the kiosks were inoperable and the lines were long at carriers that don't charge to print. At one legacy, people were complaining about the long line. The agent told them maintenance is expensive and they always have the option to print at home, hotel, etc. Now with digital passes, paper will be less of an issue.

But back to the topic of the thread....
 
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wainscottbl said:
Stop undermining my self-righteous, righteous indignation. I was feeling like this when all this happened you see

toby.jpg


I might have been in the wrong. But I still say it's BS to have to pay a $5 fee for the airline to print my boarding pass at the airport. Why should I have to do that work? Or check my bag online or be charged more? Or pay to carry on a bag, as @Derg says. If nothing else the policies are stupid. I know some fees are required to pay for costs, like the wages of the baggage handlers, but some of these prices have no justification. They know they can get it out of you. The way they make the ticket price low is take away some of the usual comforts you get for free with other airlines. Airlines like this are good if you want to go out to Vegas and spend a lot of money or down to Florida for a quick vacation. But Toby Ziegler is always right.
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Heard a great reply to the question of "Why are fares so high?" The answer was "Because you don't want to drive for three days."

First off, you don't get it "free" with other airlines. They just build it into the fare. Secondly, all fares have their justification. It's called the free market. You have to pay these fares and fees because others are willing to. If you're not, there's always Greyhound.

If you actually stop and think about what is required for an airplane to go from A to B, I think you'd realize just how reasonable most air fares are. I'm sorry if you can't afford it, but I think $500 is a reasonable price to fly from New York to Los Angeles.

My guess is you'll slap down $5 for a cup of coffee and not blink. But ask you to pay $5 so that you don't have to hassle with lugging your suitcase around for the next 7 hours, and you're ready to riot? Really?
 
I've flown Allegiant 20 times to my place in Florida. Overall, I've been pleased with the fares and service.

I print my boarding pass, only carry a small computer bag, and usually don't select a seat. I enjoy the option of reducing my expenses.

I hope a strike is avoided and I hope for a settlement that satisfies all parties.
 
Again, I've had several bad experiences on Allegiant, each one being some of the worst ever in my travels despite being a paying pax, but I just kind of expect it. I'm hardly a fan, but thanks to segment fees, its $50+taxes for me to fly United standby SFO-LAS or I can fly Allegiant SCK-LAS for $76 total. For that kind of price, you can't complain, and should expect to pay a fee for everything but the backpack at your feet.

Good luck to all the pilots if it comes to this, lots of unity reflected in those numbers.
 
Phil Schuyler said:
Heard a great reply to the question of "Why are fares so high?" The answer was "Because you don't want to drive for three days."

First off, you don't get it "free" with other airlines. They just build it into the fare. Secondly, all fares have their justification. It's called the free market. You have to pay these fares and fees because others are willing to. If you're not, there's always Greyhound.

If you actually stop and think about what is required for an airplane to go from A to B, I think you'd realize just how reasonable most air fares are. I'm sorry if you can't afford it, but I think $500 is a reasonable price to fly from New York to Los Angeles.

My guess is you'll slap down $5 for a cup of coffee and not blink. But ask you to pay $5 so that you don't have to hassle with lugging your suitcase around for the next 7 hours, and you're ready to riot? Really?
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So I just looked up that New York to Los Angeles fare. $616 to fly 2475 miles in 6 and a half hours. Let's compare that to driving

Figuring you can average about 50 miles per hour, it''s going to take 50 hours of driving to get there. Let's say you can drive 10 hours in a day. You're looking at a minimum 5 days. That's 4 nights in a hotel at anywhere from $75 to $100. At least $300 for hotels. In my car, 2500 miles is going to take at least 6 tanks of gas. At $40 per, there's another $240. You gotta eat, so figure at least $20 per day for that. There's another $100. $300+$240+$100= $640 to drive one way. You'll pay more to drive than you will to fly.
 
Phil Schuyler said:
So I just looked up that New York to Los Angeles fare. $616 to fly 2475 miles in 6 and a half hours. Let's compare that to driving

Figuring you can average about 50 miles per hour, it''s going to take 50 hours of driving to get there. Let's say you can drive 10 hours in a day. You're looking at a minimum 5 days. That's 4 nights in a hotel at anywhere from $75 to $100. At least $300 for hotels. In my car, 2500 miles is going to take at least 6 tanks of gas. At $40 per, there's another $240. You gotta eat, so figure at least $20 per day for that. There's another $100. $300+$240+$100= $640 to drive one way. You'll pay more to drive than you will to fly.
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$640 will probably get you first class. 1 month out Delta, JetBlue, Virgin and United offer JFK-LAX for $149 each way. It's 1/4 the cost of driving.
 
If you are not figuring at least 40 cents per mile (in a cheap car) you are shorting yourself. There is a reason the govt. rate is .55/mile. SO almost a grand at that rate. Not including the incidentals already mentioned like hotels and grub.
 
Itchy said:
If you are not figuring at least 40 cents per mile (in a cheap car) you are shorting yourself. There is a reason the govt. rate is .55/mile. SO almost a grand at that rate. Not including the incidentals already mentioned like hotels and grub.
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Government rate actually went up to .575/mile this year. Driving ain't cheap.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
If you don't like us don't fly on us, simple as that.

A FA recently told me that numerous times she's heard "I'm never flying this circus airline again!" Only to see that same person back again 2 months later.
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There's quite a bit of market data that indicates most airline consumers only care about price.

Slate did a quick industry analysis back when Blue added bag fees recently:

http://www.slate.com/articles/busin...suffer_worse_service_on_flights_in_order.html
 
hook_dupin said:
There's quite a bit of market data that indicates most airline consumers only care about price.

Slate did a quick industry analysis back when Blue added bag fees recently:

http://www.slate.com/articles/busin...suffer_worse_service_on_flights_in_order.html
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Yeah, I'm just saying its a free country, everyone has a choice. A side note is that we sell vacation packages and our website is a one stop shop for not only plane tickets, but hotels, rental cars, show tickets, etc. That's the reason real we're so successful. Also, up until about 6 months ago, only about 7 of the 100+ routes we flew had direct competition. Three of them were from Hawaii.
 
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HVYMETALDRVR said:
Yeah, I'm just saying its a free country, everyone has a choice.
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I agree with you. Everyone has a choice... They all seem to be deciding based on ticket price. JetBlue had this concept that they'd differentiate themselves with no fees, lots of tech, etc, and they turned out to be a laggard in the industry.
 
hook_dupin said:
I agree with you. Everyone has a choice... They all seem to be deciding based on ticket price. JetBlue had this concept that they'd differentiate themselves with no fees, lots of tech, etc, and they turned out to be a laggard in the industry.
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JetBlue was doing just fine. Their investors just want to wring it for every penny they can squeeze. Even if that means the airline is gone in 5 years.
 
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