Allegiant fired pilot who made emergency landing at St. Pete-Clearwat

[Tommay85]

This company makes AMF circa 3 years ago look like a leading edge saftey culture.

 

[Lunchbox]

There may be some great people there, and perhaps there is more to the story, but I would advise any pilot to steer clear for the time being unless they want to play Russian roulette with their career. There have been too many incidents such as this at Allegient and a pilot there would face the pressure of flying an unsafe airplane or facing the wrath of management.
And no, in my years of regional flying I have not seen someone at my airline terminated under such circumstances. As someone else wrote above I would never let my family fly Allegient.

This might be one of the most inaccurate post I've read in a while. There is no pressure from management to fly marginal aircraft. Nobody is being fired or punished for not taking shotty planes. The incident in the thread has nothing to do with feeling pressure to take unsafe airplanes. That just doesn't happen there.

 

[Blackhawk]

This might be one of the most inaccurate post I've read in a while. There is no pressure from management to fly marginal aircraft. Nobody is being fired or punished for not taking shotty planes. The incident in the thread has nothing to do with feeling pressure to take unsafe airplanes. That just doesn't happen there.

http://www.willallegiantbethere.org

http://consumerist.com/2015/06/23/a...aise-concerns-with-airlines-safety-practices/



One need only Google Alegient and safety.

 

[Murdoughnut]

The Tampa Bay Times has been doing a lot of coverage of these incidents locally since St. Pete is one of their more successful markets. Might have been less impactful had it been in Grand Forks or something.

 

[MikeD]

If the allegations in this thread regarding Allegiant have even 50% truth to them, how is it that the airline still has an operating certificate, and what is their POI doing?

 

[Wardogg]

The elevator incident on the 436 flight......whoa.

 

[mshunter]

Depends on how the contract is laid out. Most, if not all, ALPA contracts start the discipline process through section 19 of the contract. It's a mutually agreed upon set of terms that lays out the process. Most of the time not all the facts are present at the time of the hearing. When pilots are prematurely discharged you file a grievance. This process takes months to iron out since it will likely end up in arbitration.

So their contract has no grievance process for being fired for something then?

 

[amorris311]

So their contract has no grievance process for being fired for something then?

I don't know. I have never seen the pilots contract.

 

[🦈💜]

If the allegations in this thread regarding Allegiant have even 50% truth to them, how is it that the airline still has an operating certificate, and what is their POI doing?

I sometimes get the feeling that, as long as the paperwork is in order, the FAA only actually has teeth if you're an airman or a mechanic.

-Fox

 

[fholbert]

Was the the FA who reported the smoke/fumes and burning rubber smell fired too? She's the problem!

On the afternoon of June 8, Allegiant Flight 864 departed St. Pete-Clearwater for Maryland with 141 passengers. Shortly after takeoff, a flight attendant reported "smoke/fumes" like burning rubber, according to a subsequent safety report Allegiant filed with the FAA.

The plane made an emergency landing, deploying evacuation slides.

 

[Lunchbox]

http://www.willallegiantbethere.org

http://consumerist.com/2015/06/23/a...aise-concerns-with-airlines-safety-practices/



One need only Google Alegient and safety.

The links you sent have nothing to do with pilots feeling pressure to fly unsafe airplanes. There isn't one example of a pilot being punished for not taking a plane. So with that being said, where is your support of your claim? Having old MD80's break down for whatever reason is not the same as pilots risking their lives and certificates by flying known unsafe aircraft. Is that what you are claiming or the conclusion you're jumping to?

 

[Autothrust Blue]

If the allegations in this thread regarding Allegiant have even 50% truth to them, how is it that the airline still has an operating certificate, and what is their POI doing?

The FAA is too busy making sure we don't depart without the can, evidently.

and also, what @Acrofox said.

 

[Blackhawk]

After the ValueJet and SwissAir crashes smoke should not be dealt with lightly.

 

[Blackhawk]

The links you sent have nothing to do with pilots feeling pressure to fly unsafe airplanes. There isn't one example of a pilot being punished for not taking a plane. So with that being said, where is your support of your claim? Having old MD80's break down for whatever reason is not mutually exclusive with pilots risking their lives and certificates by flying knowing unsafe aircraft. Is that what you are claiming or the conclusion you're jumping to?

There's this thingy called Google. Do you know how to use it? Or are you Allegiant management sent to put out the fires?

http://roadwarriorvoices.com/2015/0...sing-planes-that-barely-pass-safety-standard/

http://consumerist.com/2015/06/23/a...aise-concerns-with-airlines-safety-practices/

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/loca...issues-injured-passengers-panic-faa/28752379/

http://skift.com/2015/04/01/allegiant-airs-pilots-warn-passengers-of-safety-concerns/

http://www.wesh.com/news/pilots-union-concerned-with-allegiant-air-safety/33969628

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pilots-accuse-allegiant-air-of-cutting-safety-along-with-costs/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/21/business/pilots-at-allegiant-air-question-safety-standards.html

http://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...r-s-pilots-union-says-airline-scraping-safety

 

[Maurus]

I don't know. I have never seen the pilots contract.

Contract?

After everything that has occurred I highly doubt they will have a contract any time soon.

 

[Eagle421flyer]

So here's my take...Allegiant is only a good place to go if you don't have a job. Hindsight is always 20/20 but I would have stayed at my regional vs going to Allegiant. I'm not at Allegiant anymore, but I will echo what others have said, I wouldn't put my family on them, in fact that's what gave me a push to leave. It's not the pilots they are great and they are the only reason that they are still in business and flying, because for every incident you hear about I guarantee you there is one that doesn't make the news. The company simply doesn't want to put money back into the planes (or safety) at all. Unfortunately it was just a matter of time until someone got fired for something like this. I know of a few incidents where pilots got called to LAS and brought their lawyers with (which saved them) for incidents less noteworthy than this one. I really wish the best for them, and I still have good friends there but I think until there is a change at the very top, nothing good will happen.

 

[z987k]

This company makes AMF circa 3 years ago look like a leading edge saftey culture.

Well that haven't actually crashed airplanes. Yet.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Is this not the one where the C/A did a writeup on PPW? Because if so, and if you're a member over there, you really owe it to yourself to read it if you're thinking about applying.

 

[mshunter]

Is this not the one where the C/A did a writeup on PPW? Because if so, and if you're a member over there, you really owe it to yourself to read it if you're thinking about applying.

Could that be the cause why he was canned? Violation of media policy maybe?

 

[Eagle421flyer]

Could that be the cause why he was canned? Violation of media policy maybe?

Pretty sure he was canned before he wrote that, also here is another article on it, my favorite part of the article


Wells said the management official who fired the pilot was Greg Baden, vice president of Allegiant flight operations. Baden was the pilot of an Allegiant aircraft in July that declared an emergency while trying to land at Fargo, N.D., telling the control tower he was "bingo fuel," meaning he was too low on fuel to land elsewhere.

The tower told him the airport was closed because of an air show, something the tower told the pilot Allegiant should have know beforehand. The airline later said it had been told by the FAA the airport would be open for commercial aircraft.

Las Vegas-based Allegiant has said the aircraft had 43 minutes of fuel left upon landing and was not actually close to running out. But Baden indicated otherwise to air traffic controllers, according to the recording of his conversation with the tower.

Wells said the firing happened the same day as the Fargo flight.

Baden "fires him by phone," Wells said, "and then he flies and almost runs an airplane out of gas."


http://www.tampabay.com/news/busine...-st-pete-clearwater-emergency-landing/2247121