Allegiant Air Fuel Incident

"They told us at the gate that there had been catastrophic damage to the left engine, which is what we heard," McNelis said. "I've been flying all my life and never experienced anything like this. I guess you get what you pay for."
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Zing. That's not a shot at our resident Allegiant guys...I'm sure y'all are the only reason these jokers are still in business.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Ehh wat.
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The fact the "news" can publish such erroneous "facts" and people think it's ok because "who knows the difference" is what's wrong with this damn country. I hate the network news with a passion, they're turning people into opinionated idiots at light speed.

BobDDuck said:
They are sending a 757 from LAS to Fresno?

Seems like there would be faster ways to lose money.
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I've been on an Allegiant 757 from Stockton to Vegas, it was mostly full. When I did my photoshoot for SCK the 757 was 100% capacity. Vegas is very much a spontaneous weekend trip for people in Cali, Fresno and Stockton do very well for Allegiant on the route with their sub $100 roundtrip airfares plus the many folks booking packages straight from Allegiant with hotel/car/events, ect.
 
jtrain609 said:
So don't take this the wrong way...but how the F do you guys still have an air carrier certificate? I'm shocked the FAA hasn't ripped it away yet.
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This is my questions as well, and for every one thing that the media knows about I can tell you there are more that just didn't make the news. But don't worry the stock keeps going up....and passengers are mostly assured delivery by 1200am 3 days later........
 
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Blackhawk said:
My statement did not refer to this specific case. Just the discussion about ambiguity in communication.
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Nor did I intend my quote of you to refer to you specifically or your statement that I quoted. We're in full agreement I believe. Had I been the controller there that day I may have probed more, but on the surface it doesn't seem to be an emergency as it was communicated.

Reminds me of an instance where a fully loaded Cherokee 6 I was working wanted to bypass 3 suitable fields go get back to their point of origin. All I get get out of the pilot was Power Loss. After trying three times to establish if he meant mechanical or electrical with no answer I asked about RPM and manifold pressure which he readily responded were doing great without hesitation. I assumed battery and whatnot, best bet in 400 OVC was to give a great easy turn on to the ILS at the nearest suitable no less. Right up until the engine grenaded and revealed which form of power loss he was expecting.

To this day I have nothing but admiration for someone who can deadstick a landing in 400 OVC in a farmer's field, but with simple communication it would have been a partial power landing on a two mile long runway at worst.
 
jtrain609 said:
So don't take this the wrong way...but how the F do you guys still have an air carrier certificate? I'm shocked the FAA hasn't ripped it away yet.
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I actually want to know this as well. Seems like there has been a high percentage of fleet groundings and mx related events...
 
Inverted said:
I actually want to know this as well. Seems like there has been a high percentage of fleet groundings and mx related events...
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I'd guess it comes down to the fact that Allegiant hasn't had a hull loss or managed to kill anyone yet.

If you look at past accidents where some aspect of corporate culture played a role (Colgan and Valujet spring to mind), there were red flags raised before those accidents happened, but they weren't seriously addressed until after people got killed.
 
ndakcfi said:
I'd guess it comes down to the fact that Allegiant hasn't had a hull loss or managed to kill anyone yet.

If you look at past accidents where some aspect of corporate culture played a role (Colgan and Valujet spring to mind), there were red flags raised before those accidents happened, but they weren't seriously addressed until after people got killed.
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If I remember correctly the ValuJet POI also raised red flags.
I've seen things like this in the past, more so in the 135 world. Often when the hull loss/fatalities do happen those in charge go waltzing off into the sunset without a scratch, though there are exceptions such as the Challanger crash at Tederboro.
 
ndakcfi said:
I'd guess it comes down to the fact that Allegiant hasn't had a hull loss or managed to kill anyone yet.

If you look at past accidents where some aspect of corporate culture played a role (Colgan and Valujet spring to mind), there were red flags raised before those accidents happened, but they weren't seriously addressed until after people got killed.
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The FAA doesn't care about safety, they care about paperwork.

Pulling a 121 carriers certificate requires more paperwork than continuing to raise red flags. No one in the FAA wants to take on the lawsuits that Alleigent would bring if they actually tried to shut them down. Take note, that ValuJet was not permanently shut down even after they torched a MD-80 despite all the red flags.

I saw the same thing in the 135 world, Martinaire got inspected all the time but the bottom feeder 135 operation in the next hangar that is going to kill someone one day was overlooked.

I honestly believe that it is intentional blindness by the FAA leadership.

If all the forms have been filled out and boxes checked then it must be safe. :sarcasm:
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Look at your left shoulder. Now look at your right. Count how many stripes you see. Then count how many the dispatcher has on the shoulders of his polo shirt. The guy with the most stripes wins.
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That FAA man sitting at a desk has an awful lot of stripes on he tie. Even more than those American flag ones all you pilotos are wearing (but shouldn't be because wearing the flag as an article of clothing is shameful).
 
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