Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
Over the years I’ve flown with several people who were like this. “Ask for 15 right.” I look outside and scratch my head. Not thunderstorms but everyday clouds.
Alaska landing incident SNA
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🦈💜
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Just to be clear, can you define "everyday cloud?"
If I have people in the back and there's a cu that's more than a few thousand feet from base to top, or if I'm painting it, I'm likely to avoid it. Maybe it's just the wingy boy I fly, but TCUs can be pretty potent.
Fair weather cu or stratiform, nah. I can't imagine someone avoiding those.
That said, I also avoid a cloud if I can see it and don't really know what it is, or if it looks excessively unhappy.
Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
If it’s painting then yes avoid it. I’m talking about clouds 10K and below. Good luck trying to avoid clouds in the Southeast April-October.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Who cares if the other pilot wants to deviate a bit? It costs 2 min and a couple hundred pounds. It’s not like it’s much work to hit the PTT button is it?
If an FO asked for it and it wasn’t dangerous or there were time crunch issues on freq it’s fine. I’d personally rather have someone be conservative anyways
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If an FO asked for it and it wasn’t dangerous or there were time crunch issues on freq it’s fine. I’d personally rather have someone be conservative anyways
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knot4u
Repeat Offender
Are you thumping your chest for being anti-conservative? I've got news for you, no one cares.
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
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Let's take a second and stop the spreading of misinformation. There is nowhere in the eskimo manuals FH or FOM or even the stan notes that says using AB 2 (or even any AB for that matter) is SOP for the MAX. It's starting to sound like people who keep putting the WX radar in test even though the last 400 went away 4 or 5 years ago...
Furthermore, I will posit that it's you guys going immediate full reverse thrust that jams everyone's heads into the seats in front of them, NOT getting on the brakes. Yes, reverse really does provide rapid initial decel, but at the cost of not being smooth. Slamming everything and everyone in the plane forward when you're not landing on a short contaminated runway somewhere in BFE arctic is exceptionally poor form. Stop that crap.
I'm not even going to start on using Flaps 40 all the time and getting bounced all over the sky in winds and turb when runway length is not a factor...
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Let's take a second and stop the spreading of misinformation. There is nowhere in the eskimo manuals FH or FOM or even the stan notes that says using AB 2 (or even any AB for that matter) is SOP for the MAX. It's starting to sound like people who keep putting the WX radar in test even though the last 400 went away 4 or 5 years ago...
Furthermore, I will posit that it's you guys going immediate full reverse thrust that jams everyone's heads into the seats in front of them, NOT getting on the brakes. Yes, reverse really does provide rapid initial decel, but at the cost of not being smooth. Slamming everything and everyone in the plane forward when you're not landing on a short contaminated runway somewhere in BFE arctic is exceptionally poor form. Stop that crap.
I'm not even going to start on using Flaps 40 all the time and getting bounced all over the sky in winds and turb when runway length is not a factor...
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There's that weird obsessive bad-girlfriend love again. I'm sure you've got better stuff to do than to fixate on me. No?
knot4u
Repeat Offender
No. I love you and want to take care of you.
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
I dunno man, I am just not a fan. Flaps 30 is such a more stable flying platform all the way down the chute. At 40, you get bounced all over the sky by the slightest hint of wind. It's also significantly touchier for airspeed control because it takes larger power changes. This in turn makes the already-throttle jockey-chase-airspeed-all-the-way-down-final crowd into full on GQ during the DJ battle in Juice mode. Watching somebody work that hard because they did it to themself is damn near as much work.
Eh. No thanks.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Flight standards: Watch out for hot brakes. Avoid hot brakes!
Also flight standards: Do more flaps 15 landings!
Me:
Also flight standards: Do more flaps 15 landings!
Me:
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It's "recommended" on the MAX.
Whoa. I use reverse thrust and NEVER felt that going into the seat feeling. The whole point of TRs is to use them while your speed is high (when it's most effective). They are not instantaneous deployment, as in they don't go 0 to full in an instant.
When you feel the slammer effect, it's when TRs are going AND the pilot gets on the brakes at about 120-130 kts. Watch when your FO does it next time, TRs are out, your HUD's decel carrot shows the equivalent of AB 2.5 and then they touch the brakes at high speed, and that decel carrot goes straight to MAX AB equivalent (or even worse!). That's when you feel that you are describing.
Bring out TRs next time immediately after you land - your decel rate equivalent will be on the level of AB 2.5 to 3 at most. You're not getting pinned in your seat with AB 2.5 decel equivalent.
Agreed. I'm a flaps 30 guy, except flaps 40 at places like SNA, BUR, ZLO, etc.
Except if I'm in an old original non ER -900. Those land better with flaps 40. I'll do that if the winds allow it.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
I rotate through my landings at 15, 30, 40. Every landing I try and make it the next one in the series. That way I stay reasonably proficient at them. When it makes sense of course.
You can feel whatever is preventing the TRs from coming out release. It's sort of like a click feeling in the throttle quadrant. That way I don't haul on the TRs until it's time. Things seem very mellow deceleration wise.
Also, I also basically just set 54-56% N1 and the aircraft is stable on approach speed. Ketchikan is an entirely different animal. But just about everywhere else you can just about set and forget the power with a typical zero fuel weight and the typical landing fuel.
You can feel whatever is preventing the TRs from coming out release. It's sort of like a click feeling in the throttle quadrant. That way I don't haul on the TRs until it's time. Things seem very mellow deceleration wise.
Also, I also basically just set 54-56% N1 and the aircraft is stable on approach speed. Ketchikan is an entirely different animal. But just about everywhere else you can just about set and forget the power with a typical zero fuel weight and the typical landing fuel.
Thats why I go first detent on the TRs on touchdown, whether I’m going to use them or not. Gives the 1 second for the locking pins to release; so I don’t become on of those guys yanking up to first detent and immediately trying to go past it to activate the reversers, but don’t realize their brute pull on the levers isn’t allowing the pins to retract……so trying to go past that detent is futile. So they just yank harder…..trying to break the things. Dimwits.
trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
I'm the same way, smooth pull up to the stop, wait, smooth pull into reverse... as a mechanic it makes me cringe anytime someone goes ham on the levers.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
We had a Learjet that had to get the throttle quadrant replaced because the pin to let you go past idle reverse wouldn’t pull out of the way. I can’t prove it but I theorize that people yeeting against that pin as soon as they had WOW bent and jammed it.
///AMG
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alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
It seems like I’ve been alternating between heavy 900ers and almost empty 800s, so that’s fun trying to figure out good power settings. My landings are still hit or miss.