Alaska Flight diverted after pilot admits he isn’t qualified to land

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An Alaska Airlines flight being operated by Skywest was forced to divert from its intended destination of Jackson Hole Airport (JAC) last week after the pilot admitted he was not certified to land the plane in Jackson, according to reports.

Alaska Airlines/SkyWest flight 3491 was approaching JAC in Wyoming on Thursday when the pilot reported from the cockpit that he was unable to land, the Cowboy State Daily reports, citing a Reddit user who claimed to be on the flight.

The plane, a twin jet Embraer ERJ 175, then diverted to Salt Lake City, where it landed safely, according to FlightAware. Another pilot then replaced the unqualified pilot before taking off and landing in Jackson Hole at 2:55 p.m., more than three hours later than its scheduled landing time of 11:44 a.m. The flight originated in San Francisco.

SkyWest, a regional airline, told the Cowboy State Daily in a statement that the flight was indeed diverted and cited a lack of “correct paperwork” as the reason.

“[Flight 3491] landed for a short time in Salt Lake City to correct a paperwork error related to the flight crew,” the airline said in the statement. “The flight continued to Jackson Hole after a delay while a new pilot was secured to operate the flight. All pilots involved were qualified to fly and land the aircraft; the flight diverted from Jackson Hole due to an internal administrative error and out of abundance of caution.”

SkyWest is contracted by Alaska Airlines, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines. FOX Business reached out to SkyWest for comment but did not immediately receive a response.

A Reddit user, who goes by the username “babecityrecords,” posted about the incident in a thread on the chat site, sparking fierce debate as to what exactly happened. The thread is under the title: “Something VERY weird happened on our Alaska flight yesterday: our pilot was unqualified to land??”

The user said that passengers were first notified about the diversion after they were told to prepare for descent.

“Hey, I’m really sorry folks but due to me not having the proper qualification to land in Jackson Hole, we need to divert to Salt Lake City Utah. We’ll keep you posted on the next steps,” the pilot said, according to the Reddit user, who said he and his girlfriend were already nervous flyers.

“We then landed in Salt Lake City, they again apologized and gave us no other info, waited on the tarmac for about 1.5 hours, and then the pilot got off the plane (in a walk of shame since his bag was in the overhead in the back of the plane lol) and then a new pilot from Salt Lake City got on the plane and we flew into Jackson,” the user continued.

The Reddit user said that the landing at Jackson Hole was perhaps “the bumpiest landing in the descent I’ve ever experienced,” which led some users who say they are pilots to speculate that bad landing conditions may have been behind the reason for the initial diversion.

Jackson Hole Airport is at an elevation of nearly 6,500 feet, and the airport has a Special PIC (pilot in command) qualification as well as a SAAT level 4 rating, requiring a more experienced line check airman sitting copilot, according to the Cowboy State Daily, which reports that experienced say the approach as “tricky” because of frequent downdrafts and windshears combined with a short runway.

The pilot may not have been senior enough to land in difficult conditions, which pilots refer to as ceiling and visibility unlimited (CAVU), which would explain the Reddit users’ description of the bumpy landing.

Jackson Hole Airport Director Jim Elwood told the outlet that each individual airline has its own training programs and pilot certification protocol.

“My guess is that the pilots were recently qualified to land at JAC (because they would not be allowed to fly the route otherwise — regulations would have triggered a crew swap), but they felt that they were not experienced/confident to deal with the winds or another condition that day,” another user opined.

“Therefore that made the pilots decide to abort the landing and err on the safe side. This shows the system of checks/balances and communication with ATC works — this should make you less nervous about flying in the future. Your quote [about the bumpy landing]… would support my suspicions.”
 
I didn't know "Random person on Reddit" is a legitimate source for news articles these days. Good lord.

The pilot may not have been senior enough to land in difficult conditions, which pilots refer to as ceiling and visibility unlimited (CAVU), which would explain the Reddit users’ description of the bumpy landing.
Just, what?
 
Is JAC a captain landing only for SkyWest? I'm just curious. When I was on the Airbus I flew in and out of JAC and never had to do more than read the special airports section in the company manual. Only airport I had to do any qualification for was EGE. And that was sitting in the jumpseat observing a captain who was also getting his EGE qualification.
 
Is JAC a captain landing only for SkyWest? I'm just curious. When I was on the Airbus I flew in and out of JAC and never had to do more than read the special airports section in the company manual. Only airport I had to do any qualification for was EGE. And that was sitting in the jumpseat observing a captain who was also getting his EGE qualification.
Yes. Special qual, checkout with LCA, CA only.
 
This is another one of those “airlines makes me chuckle” things coming from 135. I’ve never had a special qual airport before coming to 121 and one of ours is DCA. I flew into every mountainous airport out west with no special requirements.

This is kinda what I signed up for in 121 was higher standards and regulation, but I still can’t figure out how JAC is a special qual airport, much less DCA.

With that said, that dude needs some serious training on PAs lol
 
This is another one of those “airlines makes me chuckle” things coming from 135. I’ve never had a special qual airport before coming to 121 and one of ours is DCA. I flew into every mountainous airport out west with no special requirements.

This is kinda what I signed up for in 121 was higher standards and regulation, but I still can’t figure out how JAC is a special qual airport, much less DCA.

With that said, that dude needs some serious training on PAs lol
curious, did either of those airports have special engine out procedures in the 135 world? airliners dont exactly have the same performance as most bizjets, I’d imagine
 
This is another one of those “airlines makes me chuckle” things coming from 135.

There's a reason that airlines kill vastly fewer people, despite emplaning vastly more. Don't chuckle too hard.

I’ve never had a special qual airport before coming to 121 and one of ours is DCA. I flew into every mountainous airport out west with no special requirements.

DCA isn't a special qual for us.

This is kinda what I signed up for in 121 was higher standards and regulation, but I still can’t figure out how JAC is a special qual airport, much less DCA.

When airplanes stop sliding off the runway there, it won't need to be.

With that said, that dude needs some serious training on PAs lol

To each their own operation.
 
This is another one of those “airlines makes me chuckle” things coming from 135.

The even more ironic part is when you upgrade you lose any qual you had as an FO and have to start over again. Like all of a sudden you forgot how to fly somewhere just because you moved 2 feet to the left. I get that it's the regulation, but it makes me chuckle too. I have to say there is quite a bit of benefit to having someone hold your hand the first time, as well as the wealth of information in the various company pages, route guides, and gouges that are available. I feel a lot more prepared compared to just figuring it out like we did in 135, but you do lose a bit of the problem solving skills when things go off script.
 
There really ought to be a course taught to all airline pilots, called “PAs and you - preventing the next PR disaster”


And it should go something like this…




1. STFU

2. When in doubt, refer to rule 1.

3. Less is more

4. You’ll reserve a special rung in hell for any PA other than “seatbelts” between the hours of 10pm-8am.

5. There is NO such thing as you are not qualified to land. The official reason is, the weather is below the minimums required of us today.

6. What idiot thought it was a good idea to say one isn’t qualified to land and has to divert? See rule #1.

7. Does your current wife or girlfriend like you sharing stories of your ex? No? Well no one GAF about your ex- military, Corpie, or airline background on the PA.

8. Stand up comedy is actually a career field - leave it for the professionals.

9. STFU - refer to rule #1.

10. ATIS reading. Ok, no one - and I mean no one - cares the winds are from 225 at 20 knots. A. They don’t know 225 degrees in relation to anything. 2. In your best Anne Heche voice, what the hell is a knot?

11. It’s always just “[one adjective] winds, [one adjevtive] clouds, and temperature. Example: light winds, partly cloudy skies, and temperature 75 degrees. And rain/snow if applicable.

12. When in doubt and your hand is reaching for the PA… Don’t.
 
Why was this even a story for the media? “OMG…you mean to tell me some airline pilots aren’t experienced enough to fly into some airports? That is so messed up. What are they hiding? People should know about this.”
 
We have a number of special qualification airports at SouthernJets. Some airports are "captains only" also.

In fact, last weekend, I did a "South America" theater qualification for a relatively senior captain down to Peru.
 
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