Airshows shouldn't exist

CFI A&P said:
Accidents, mishaps, incidents, or whatever you want to call them happen in all activities. Baseball games, motor sports, ice hockey.... You can't stop everything.

While we are all enthusiastically talking about aerobatics, take a minute watch Rob Holland win gold in the World Aerobatic Contest 2015 freestyle program:

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Two things I noticed right away about that video. That man is clearly a danger to society, with his silly demonstration, and his airplane is a guise for chem trails! Ban him!
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Like I said, we already have laws to address that.
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Sure, and we have rules at airshows that are intended to minimize the danger to people on the ground. You just don't find those rules sufficient. And I don't find leash laws anything like sufficient. And because, like you, I am unable to see things outside of my own immediate preferences and gratification and expect everyone else to live by my whim because, you know "I may be a dick, but I'm still right", etc etc, I hereby demand that all dogs be locked away where they can't ever hurt another innocent little child.

You're not even trying very hard to disguise your solipsism anymore.
 
mastermags said:
Yeah that's all well and good. I guess the same logic could be used to close all major airports in the US in major city limits. If a 747 went off the side of runway 10 in ATL, it would go straight onto I-285 ya know (any size airplane actually).
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Except that transportation is a necessity for a civilized society, and air shows are not.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Sure, and we have rules at airshows that are intended to minimize the danger to people on the ground. You just don't find those rules sufficient. And I don't find leash laws anything like sufficient. And because, like you, I am unable to see things outside of my own immediate preferences and gratification and expect everyone else to live by my whim because, you know "I may be a dick, but I'm still right", etc etc, I hereby demand that all dogs be locked away where they can't ever hurt another innocent little child. You're not even trying very hard to disguise your solipsism anymore.
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Feel free to push for tighter leash restrictions, although I'm not sure what they would be. And I'll continue to advocate for more safety rules in air shows. That's the beauty of free speech. Deal with it.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Gotta love discussions like this.

"My likes and dislikes should be the law."

Ah, politics in America. Gotta love it (if you are a comedian).
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And that pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. Far too many people want to ban things they do not personally approve, have use for, or are allergic to, which is why we have calls to ban everything from meat to SUVs to guns, to even peanut butter sandwiches in school. I quit paying attention to such outcries years ago, because this stuff says a lot more about the complainer than it does anything else.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Feel free to push for tighter leash restrictions, although I'm not sure what they would be. And I'll continue to advocate for more safety rules in air shows. That's the beauty of free speech. Deal with it.
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Except your version of free speech would lead to a really boring place, where we bubble wrap "Toddmerica" and everyone would look the same, act the same, and have pictures in their houses of "The Supreme Todd" that they had to clean everyday. We'd have about 7 different haircuts to choose from for males, even fewer for females, and different depending on if [they] were married or not. If you disagree with "The Supreme Todd" you would be brought in front of the court, and ostracized for your difference in beliefs and either be told "that's the stupidest thing you've ever said" or "you're wrong" or "you don't know jack about (insert subject here)" or "what qualifies you to talk about (insert subject here)." Propaganda about all the things that could potentially hurt you would play on loud speakers. You know, a lot like North Korea.


hau·teur
hōˈtər/
noun
noun: hauteur
  1. haughtiness of manner; disdainful pride
dis·dain·ful
disˈdānfəl/
adjective
adjective: disdainful
  1. showing contempt or lack of respect
 
Boris Badenov said:
Hey, I just wanted you to admit that your crusade here is predicated entirely on your arbitrary personal preferences, rather than some adult, rationally predicated notion. Free speech has got nothing to do with it! Rant on.
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I think I've made a pretty good case for why public safety outweighs your personal desires for some aerobatics in populated areas. Your position is unreasonable, you know it, and you've got your panties in a bunch over it. I'm sure you'll get over it.
 
mshunter said:
Except your version of free speech would lead to a really boring place, where we bubble wrap "Toddmerica" and everyone would look the same, act the same, and have pictures in their houses of "The Supreme Todd" that they had to clean everyday. We'd have about 7 different haircuts to choose from for males, even fewer for females, and different depending on if [they] were married or not. If you disagree with "The Supreme Todd" you would be brought in front of the court, and ostracized for your difference in beliefs and either be told "that's the stupidest thing you've ever said" or "you're wrong" or "you don't know jack about (insert subject here)" or "what qualifies you to talk about (insert subject here)." Propaganda about all the things that could potentially hurt you would play on loud speakers. You know, a lot like North Korea. hau·teur hōˈtər/ noun noun: hauteur [*]haughtiness of manner; disdainful pride dis·dain·ful disˈdānfəl/ adjective adjective: disdainful [*]showing contempt or lack of respect
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:rolleyes:
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Except that transportation is a necessity for a civilized society, and air shows are not.
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Just take a step back dude. You could make a much stronger case for outlawing handguns than airshows and we know where you stand on that ;). I know it's just a forum amongst friends (mostly), but if everyone screams just as loudly about banning airshows as invading Iran and executing illegal immigrants, the messages get lost in the noise.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Dogs aren't inherently violent. Quite the opposite, of course. Only scumbag humans who abuse them can make them that way. So if a dog attacks someone, find the human POS who made him that way, and beat the crap out of him.
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You never met the beagle (RIP). Despite the best treatment a dog could get, his biggest pleasure in life was biting @Rocketman99 or @DPApilot. He wasn't very nice to other dogs, either. Strangely, he was nice to kids, not that he was allowed near them.

While he never bit me, training him not to bite anyone else was unfortunately not possible. It was why he had to be put down, which was the hardest decision I made in my life. It was also a necessary one.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Not without a leash you can't. You know, sort of like "leashing" an air show to unpopulated areas.

Common sense!
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Most municipalities require a six foot leash, most sidewalks are four feet wide. I don't think your leash is keeping the innocents safe enough. They shouldn't have to put up with your dangerous obsession of leading wild animals.
 
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