Airshows shouldn't exist

ATN_Pilot said:
The Fort Lauderdale air show takes place completely over the water. Or at least it used to. Been years since I've been there, but I assume that hasn't changed.

There's no reason that you can't keep these things away from houses, highways, etc. And you know it.
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Yeah, that works so well for inland states. This is no different than people who never venture outside the city saying "Why does someone NEED a 12 gauge shotgun". I don't need one, so no one should have one. Think outside your sphere of experience.

Life is dangerous. This was an accident. You cannot eliminate accidents. Based on the relative risk, what you are asking goes beyond reasonable.
 
Sorry, but I don't consider it reasonable to put other people at risk for a stupid airshow. If you can't drive a few hours to get to someplace where the airshow wouldn't have to be over houses or highways, then I guess you can do without.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Sorry, but I don't consider it reasonable to put other people at risk for a stupid airshow. If you can't drive a few hours to get to someplace where the airshow wouldn't have to be over houses or highways, then I guess you can do without.
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Of course you have to drive to the airshow, meaning there are roads going there, but you'll just ignore that little fact.
 
Actually, you'd more than likely have a higher fatality rate of people driving to an AIR SHOW, than actually attending XYZ air show.

Life is such a gamble, I'm not even sure why we bother....... ;)
 
You just park miles away and then ride these out to the airshow. Problem solved.

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ATN_Pilot said:
The Fort Lauderdale air show takes place completely over the water. Or at least it used to. Been years since I've been there, but I assume that hasn't changed. There's no reason that you can't keep these things away from houses, highways, etc. And you know it.
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The CLE one does too.
 
darrenf said:
Of course you have to drive to the airshow, meaning there are roads going there, but you'll just ignore that little fact.
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You aren't really this dense. You're just trying to be difficult. All you have to do is make sure that the performances take place away from the road. Seriously, people, this isn't rocket surgery, and you aren't above accommodating the safety of the public for your silly aerobatics.
 
When it comes to airshow safety, we've seen what has been done with regards to the show line not being towards the crowd and other regulations. When the established aerobatic box does have roads that run within it, and I'm talking heavily traveled roads and/or highways not some minor road, what is the risk mitigation taken with regards to those, if any? Is traffic temporarily restricted?
 
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So you're basically saying ban almost all major airshows? There is no way to do any of what you're saying without shutting down those airshows or severely limiting the type of performers allowed. What you're suggesting is simply unreasonable, especially given the actual level of risk to people on the ground involved. The statistics do not support your case even a little bit.
 
The randomness of this reminds me of the USAF KC-135 crash in 1987 at KSKA in 1987. Basically demonstration practice for the USAFs new Thunderhawks aerial demonstration team, created by SAC to demonstrate KC-135 and B-52 operations with simulated aerial refueling on flybys, and minimum interval takeoffs, with other low level passes and mild maneuvering.

The morning of the practice, the KC-135 had departed behind the B-52, and maneuvering for their first pass and rejoin, with the KC-135 overtaking the B-52. As the KC-135 was rolling out of a 45 degre turn and ~200AGL and climbing (lower than the 400-500 AGL it was supposed to be at and preparing to rollout behind the B-52, the KC-135 hit the wake turbulence of the B-52 and immediately rolled to nearly 90 degrees. The crew managed to level the KC, but couldn't arrest the sink rate before impacting the ground behind the flightline. All 7 onboard....3 pilots, 2 navigators and 2 boom operators, were killed......as was one person on the ground.

The person on the ground killed was another enlisted boom operator who was also a member of the Thunderhawks team and was scheduled to be on the accident flight, but had gotten sick the night before, and was replaced on the flight that morning by one of the other boom operators. He had been driving on base to the medical clinic to get checked out, and had briefly stopped to observe the aircraft maneuvering, when his own KC-135 crashed into the area he was parked, straight into his car he was standing beside, and killing him.
 
averettpilot said:
So you're basically saying ban almost all major airshows? There is no way to do any of what you're saying without shutting down those airshows or severely limiting the type of performers allowed. What you're suggesting is simply unreasonable, especially given the actual level of risk to people on the ground involved. The statistics do not support your case even a little bit.
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No, what's unreasonable is expecting the general public to put up with risk because of your air show that could easily be held away from populated areas.
 
The only solution is to hold future air shows on the moon. We'll be able to watch these shows thru the magic of Sat TV and or, land base telescopes. Option 2, 300 plus miles out in the Gulf, or the left and right oceans. But, keep in mind, in the event of a crash over water, sea life is in serious danger. And if Flipper dies, here come the hard core lib animal activist such as PETA.

Why does life have to suck so bad?

And just to be clear, when the Defenders of Liberty air show is held at Barksdale, not only are the acrobat pilots having to fly over Interstate 20, but several large neighborhoods that surround Barksdale. Hell, the Thunder Angels use downtown Shreveport as a turn marker.
Seriously thinking about moving from this place. The possibilities scare the CHIT out of me.

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Accidents, mishaps, incidents, or whatever you want to call them happen in all activities. Baseball games, motor sports, ice hockey.... You can't stop everything.

While we are all enthusiastically talking about aerobatics, take a minute watch Rob Holland win gold in the World Aerobatic Contest 2015 freestyle program:

 
ATN_Pilot said:
No, what's unreasonable is expecting the general public to put up with risk because of your air show that could easily be held away from populated areas.
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Yeah that's all well and good. I guess the same logic could be used to close all major airports in the US in major city limits. If a 747 went off the side of runway 10 in ATL, it would go straight onto I-285 ya know (any size airplane actually).
 
mastermags said:
Yeah that's all well and good. I guess the same logic could be used to close all major airports in the US in major city limits. If a 747 went off the side of runway 10 in ATL, it would go straight onto I-285 ya know (any size airplane actually).
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Look I know I have a problem with centerline, but my landing wasn't that far off....
 
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