Airport's to fly a 172 into in Chicago??

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Midway isn't that bad. I did my private certificate there in a 152 so you know that they ought to be able to handle the mighty 172. Generally, you'll get a different runway from the big boys and it's actually kinda cool to see the city when you're landing.

Definately suggest MDW.

ORD, no.

PWK, instructed there, but there's really no good transportation to the city. Same with DuPage, Shaumburg, Joliet, Lewis, etc. Too bad miegs is gone
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Hi Iain. I have no prob flying in Class C. I got my IFR out of Lenair btw over summer, at SNA. I think you did too, right?

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Mate you should be fine going into MDW, I would imagine it is just like SNA with more runways and crap weather!

Yeah I got my PPL at Lenair back in 2000 - not doing too much flying right now though!
 
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Going into the big airports, really is not as difficult as people think, and the connections are great. I have flown into LAX a number of times, and really Class B is like Class C on steriods! If you are not comfortable in Class C is will likely be too much, but if you are fine in Class C you should have no problems.

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On my friends brothers PPL checkride, on final he was behind a 75 and in front of a 74 at DTW. As you guessed both these planes were NW. He said it was quite exciting!
 
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I went into Class B primary airports (BWI and IAD) regularly with my instructor during private pilot training. The most valuable training experience, IMO. I wish that it were a requirement.
 
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Too bad miegs is gone
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Don't even get me started..... effin' Daley.....
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I dont see why some people have a problem with busy airspace. As long as you are in contact with ATC they will take care of you

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I would disagree - if the airport has GA ops they are very good to you, but if you are flying into Class B like LAX, or ORD you have to take care of yourself. The reality is everyone in that airspace is a professional, the pace is fast, it is structured, you come in and struggle it causes all sorts of problems (I do not think a 747 crew would be happy having to do a go around after an 11 hour flight because a PPL wanted to get LAX in the log book, and it was too busy for him). Also they are not used to your needs - I have been instructed to taxi into Jet Blast on more then one occasion.

I always recommend taking another pilot into busy airports (if it is your first time, take someone who has done it before) - remember every other airplane going in there has 2 pilots on board to manage the work load so you should too!
 
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Going into the big airports, really is not as difficult as people think, and the connections are great. I have flown into LAX a number of times, and really Class B is like Class C on steriods! If you are not comfortable in Class C is will likely be too much, but if you are fine in Class C you should have no problems.

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On my friends brothers PPL checkride, on final he was behind a 75 and in front of a 74 at DTW. As you guessed both these planes were NW. He said it was quite exciting!

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That is my older brother.
 
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MDW all the way. Three FBOs on the field. I'd suggest Million Air, since they have the least amount of corporate traffic and do well with GA planes. Signature second, Atlantic third. Landing fee is like $7.50. Not bad. I wouldn't worry about the airline traffic, since depending on the runway configuration you'll be on the complete other side of the airport. ATC does well with GA traffic, since with Meigs closing they get quite a bit. If you are flying VFR, I can offer some good advice for getting in in VFR conditions during the day. If IFR, they'll tell you everything you need to know. Coming from Michigan, I'd file over Gipper VOR and Chicago Heights VOR, since that will take you south of the lake. Fly below 6000' though since 6000' is the altitude for jet aircraft on the arrival.

Call the FBOs and check that they can provide a ride to the main terminal/CTA terminal. You can get on the Orange Line to downtown, which is less than a 45 minute ride.

Do proper preflight planning for your trip and you'll find that going into MDW is cake. Just review the airport diagram and airspace, frequencies, etc. Make a little notecard if you like. Call the FBO beforehand to make parking and ride arrangements. Have fun! MDW is an AWESOME airport. And Chicago is an AWESOME city.

I'd stay away from the other GA airports (and definitely ORD) since they are so far. You'd need a rental car to get to the city most likely, which is NOT something you'd want if you are under 25 and driving around downtown Chicago (drunk).
 
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I do not think a 747 crew would be happy having to do a go around after an 11 hour flight because a PPL wanted to get LAX in the log book, and it was too busy for him). Also they are not used to your needs - I have been instructed to taxi into Jet Blast on more then one occasion.

I always recommend taking another pilot into busy airports (if it is your first time, take someone who has done it before) - remember every other airplane going in there has 2 pilots on board to manage the work load so you should too!


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I agree with you that it may cause some troubles to others, but who's fault would it be the pilot of the 172 or ATC? Id say ATC because they have control over what you do in their airspace and if they want to clear you to land or send you on an extended downwind or vector you around that is their decision. For anyone who hasn't gone into busy airspace, as previously stated I would highly recommend bringing another pilot along just because they know what you will be thinking about(charts, elevations, obstacles, procedures, radios, etc) and can make the entire process much easier. Just my 2 cents
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I agree with you that it may cause some troubles to others, but who's fault would it be the pilot of the 172 or ATC? Id say ATC because they have control over what you do in their airspace and if they want to clear you to land or send you on an extended downwind or vector you around that is their decision.

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Last time I checked ATC didn't fly the plane - when flying into any airports (especially large ones) you have to be on the same page as ATC, that is pilot skill!
 
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Id say ATC because they have control over what you do in their airspace and if they want to clear you to land or send you on an extended downwind or vector you around that is their decision.

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One word for ya: unable. ATC can tell you what to do, but if you don't feel comfortable doing it, you don't technically HAVE to do it. Like Iain said, you're flying the plane, not the guy in the dark room in front of the scope with his cup of coffee.
 
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Id say ATC because they have control over what you do in their airspace and if they want to clear you to land or send you on an extended downwind or vector you around that is their decision.

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One word for ya: unable. ATC can tell you what to do, but if you don't feel comfortable doing it, you don't technically HAVE to do it. Like Iain said, you're flying the plane, not the guy in the dark room in front of the scope with his cup of coffee.

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I would not say unable, in Class B unless there is a safety issue. It is not your get out of jail free card when you are feeling the heat!
 
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Going into the big airports, really is not as difficult as people think, and the connections are great. I have flown into LAX a number of times, and really Class B is like Class C on steriods! If you are not comfortable in Class C is will likely be too much, but if you are fine in Class C you should have no problems.

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On my friends brothers PPL checkride, on final he was behind a 75 and in front of a 74 at DTW. As you guessed both these planes were NW. He said it was quite exciting!

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what kind of check pilot would take somebody into DTW on their PPL checkride?
 
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05c, Griffith Indiana. thats my home airport. It is 6 miles south of Gary. By the way Gary is not bad...Its all hype. I Love going into MDW. No problems ever. Plus if they put you on a parallell (spelling??) runway, you will get a nice closeup of a SWA 737 blasting past you, and you can moon the passengers. No, better not do that nowadays. Good luck!
 
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Id say ATC because they have control over what you do in their airspace and if they want to clear you to land or send you on an extended downwind or vector you around that is their decision.

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One word for ya: unable. ATC can tell you what to do, but if you don't feel comfortable doing it, you don't technically HAVE to do it. Like Iain said, you're flying the plane, not the guy in the dark room in front of the scope with his cup of coffee.

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I would not say unable, in Class B unless there is a safety issue. It is not your get out of jail free card when you are feeling the heat!

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Disagree completely. I teach that if you're not comfortable doing something, you're not sure if you're able to do it, or it gives you that "What the hell is going on" feeling in your stomach, tell them you're unable.

I'll call unable anytime I need to. Even if it's just for passenger comfort.
 
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I would say Gary is not bad.....only parts of Gary are dangerous. The airport itself sits on the far north border...surrounded by the interstate, and steel mills. There really isnt that much residential stuff around it. Its very easy access when you leave Gary in a vehicle to get right on Cline Ave, and that will take you to the toll road right into the city. Another place is in a southern suburb called Lansing, Lansing Municipal ( IGQ ), which is my home airport. It's really nice with tons of room...and only about a 30 min. ride into the chicago area, because it is also close to the interstate.
 
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Id say ATC because they have control over what you do in their airspace and if they want to clear you to land or send you on an extended downwind or vector you around that is their decision.

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One word for ya: unable. ATC can tell you what to do, but if you don't feel comfortable doing it, you don't technically HAVE to do it. Like Iain said, you're flying the plane, not the guy in the dark room in front of the scope with his cup of coffee.

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I would not say unable, in Class B unless there is a safety issue. It is not your get out of jail free card when you are feeling the heat!

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Disagree completely. I teach that if you're not comfortable doing something, you're not sure if you're able to do it, or it gives you that "What the hell is going on" feeling in your stomach, tell them you're unable.

I'll call unable anytime I need to. Even if it's just for passenger comfort.

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I think your point is very true - I think you just have to make sure you are safe and capable of flying in high traffic areas and the just fly as you have been taught.

If you struggle, get flustered, and do not gel with procedures you are likely to get the magic number.
 
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I would go into MDW. They are not too far away from downtown. When I flew past MDW last time, I think, GYY was under 2 feet of snow. I was kept looking toward to 22nd st.(Where chinatown is) and thought about hot & sour soup because of my frozen feet.
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ATC - It should not be a problem. As long as you don't do anything stupid to get yourself and other people killed and a nice ATC, you will be fine. According to a CFI at ARR, there is a particular "grumpy" ATC.
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Stay away from ORD. MDW is the only other place with public transportation. I thought the ride into the city was more like 45-60 minutes, but I used to transfer downtown and head a little north to Lincoln Park.

Hey FlyChicaga, I'm probably going to do the Late Ride this summer. Did you end up going a few years back?
 
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Id say ATC because they have control over what you do in their airspace and if they want to clear you to land or send you on an extended downwind or vector you around that is their decision.


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One word for ya: unable. ATC can tell you what to do, but if you don't feel comfortable doing it, you don't technically HAVE to do it. Like Iain said, you're flying the plane, not the guy in the dark room in front of the scope with his cup of coffee.


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I would not say unable, in Class B unless there is a safety issue. It is not your get out of jail free card when you are feeling the heat!


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Disagree completely. I teach that if you're not comfortable doing something, you're not sure if you're able to do it, or it gives you that "What the hell is going on" feeling in your stomach, tell them you're unable.

I'll call unable anytime I need to. Even if it's just for passenger comfort.


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I think your point is very true - I think you just have to make sure you are safe and capable of flying in high traffic areas and the just fly as you have been taught.

If you struggle, get flustered, and do not gel with procedures you are likely to get the magic number.


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I agree with yall that you should not do anything that you feel uncomfortable with or that would comprimise safety. My whole point of the post was that if you get cleared to land in front of a 747 and they have to go around which in turn annoys the pilot they shouldn't blame the 172 as they were simply following the directions of ATC. Maybe im just not relaying my point of view clearly
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