Airnet SICs

Anyone coming to Airnet to fly single pilot is gonna be sorely disappointed anymore in my opinion. That is of course unless you bid a caravan or chieftain run. Otherwise your pretty much gonna be "crewing" a baron for your time. I floated for a year, and about 99% of my time was single pilot. A good portion of that time was spent in the van and 'ho. I've had my own baron run for 6 months now and spent MAYBE a month total flying it by myself, MAYBE.

Don't get me wrong, I like the SIC program but only to an extent. Hell I did it myself for a bit. But the guys coming in with 500 TT I just feel plain bad for. Like someone else said, theres only so much to learn in the right seat of a baron. Your time would be much better spent running pipelines or CFIing or even just going to the regionals. Thats a real crew environment, not a "well today we dont have an intercom, brakes on your side, or a duel yoke, so see ya at our destination!!"

Then again if the 500 hour guys stopped applying I think we would be screwed at this point, my SIC now didn't have anyone PIC qualified in his class.
 
Flysher said:
Anyone coming to Airnet to fly single pilot is gonna be sorely disappointed anymore in my opinion. That is of course unless you bid a caravan or chieftain run. Otherwise your pretty much gonna be "crewing" a baron for your time.
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That's location dependent, I think. I run into a lot of Baron drivers every night and only one has an SIC.

Flysher said:
Thats a real crew environment, not a "well today we dont have an intercom, brakes on your side, or a duel yoke, so see ya at our destination!!"
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I forgot about this point. Many of our Barons are as described above. The SIC can't talk or taxi, and to fly the PIC has to throw the single yoke over.
 
And I don't want people to think we are throwing our SICs to the wolves with our tough "sink or swim" talk. They do get "taught" things. An example is, you aren't taught a visual approach profile during training. I'm sure all PICs show the new guys their techniques. As an SIC I learned a whole bunch by asking questions and watching. My PICs certainly had no problem showing me he ropes. Most do guys have little experience with tough weather, and I'm sure our PICs impart that knowledge.

So yeah, it's not like we slap our SICs, throw them in the right seat, and say shut up till we get there.

However, here there is no takeoff briefing or approach briefing - the guy flying does all that to himself. It would be retarded for the PNF to do the flaps or make call outs or read the checklist - it's a single pilot Baron!!
 
Question for you guys: I have a friend who's considering Airnet quite seriously, and he'll have 1200 before he applies, but he's no where near the XC requirement for 135. He's only got like 250 or less hours of XC for some reason. Do you guys ever see guys come in there that have the total time but lack the XC, night, or otherwise?
 
PanJet said:
Question for you guys: I have a friend who's considering Airnet quite seriously, and he'll have 1200 before he applies, but he's no where near the XC requirement for 135. He's only got like 250 or less hours of XC for some reason. Do you guys ever see guys come in there that have the total time but lack the XC, night, or otherwise?
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135 xc is not the same.
 
For 135 xc is any point to point stuff rather than 50nm so if he figures that in that will get hime closer. Beyond that I'm sure we would be happy to hire him. He would have to sic till he got the xc time but 250 hours is a lot less sic time than the 700+ some guys will be doing here. I've also seen a few pilots who had 1200 but had to sic to get the night time requirement so it happens.
 
Damn I wish I had learned about this earlier I only have 320tt and just received a class date... i'm a little discouraged now reading all of that. Oh well, i'll just learn what I can and suck it up till PIC. One question for you guys, how do they do the bidding for SICs?
 
They basically stick you on a high time baron run. If there's more than one available, you'll get your choice. But, honestly...one thing at a time man.
Congratulations on your class offer! Study hard, work as a team, and make sure you all get through IPTP together. I would suggest if possible not to think *for one second* about down the road, because it will eat at your limited free time and distract you from your immediate task. There's a few guys on here who I'm sure will be glad to help you through the process if you have any questions.
 
Thank you very much! One thing at a time is right! I'm very excited to start off this way, learn anything i can to be my best. I'm not a proud individual, I have nothing to prove, but everything to learn. Where are the high time baron runs? I live in NJ and would be nice to get philly as I saw there were a couple barons there. But if relocation is mandatory so be it, im up for adventure.
 
nocturnalaviator said:
Thank you very much! One thing at a time is right! I'm very excited to start off this way, learn anything i can to be my best. I'm not a proud individual, I have nothing to prove, but everything to learn. Where are the high time baron runs? I live in NJ and would be nice to get philly as I saw there were a couple barons there. But if relocation is mandatory so be it, im up for adventure.
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There's a good Baron run out of PHL. One of my friends SIC'd on it a while back. Good luck! When do you go to class?
 
Why not they hired me? Ask AirNet that question. Its a job and like i said i'm not proud. My location was slow so flight time wasn't as best as I had hoped to be, but I gave it a shot and got a date.
 
Nocturnalaviator if you don't mind me asking out of the 320tt how much of it is multi . I too am looking at applying at airnet but I want to flight instruct and build some time . You must had done a good sim eval ?
 
nocturnalaviator said:
Why not they hired me? Ask AirNet that question. Its a job and like i said i'm not proud. My location was slow so flight time wasn't as best as I had hoped to be, but I gave it a shot and got a date.
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That's really not what he asked. He wasn't flaming ya, bud - he was wondering why YOU personally would want to SIC that long? You sort of answered it with the slow flight time part, but not really.


The answer to "why do you want to work at Airnet" isn't "because they hired me."
 
Sorry if I took the question the wrong way. I went with AirNet because a few of AirNet's pilots came to ATP for an ATP written, I asked questions and they had a positive attitude about the company and said it's a great company to start out with. I've wanted to fly cargo ever since the beginning of flight training. I knew that I didn't want to start out as an airline FO monitoring guages the whole time, I wanted to get hands on experience in the elements, I wanted a challenge and most importantly I wanted to be the best at what i do. I heard that there were no minimum hour requirements so i put in my resume and said what the hell and gave it a shot. I got a call for an interview and showed up prepared as best as i could. I took the test, flew the best I could in the sim, and had a positive attitude in the HR interview. I really liked what I saw at AirNet and figured SIC is better than nothing at all. I don't care how long I SIC, I've got a potential job and I'm starting out somewhere. I have a dream and I'm taking every opportunity to fulfill it. My choice, whatever it takes. Thanks for the encouragement! :D
 
Let me also add that every regional pilot that came to ATP to fly with me to prepare for the ATP practical, 9 times outta 10 they had a bad attitude about what they do, their lifestyle, their company, just EVERYTHING. Complain, complain, complain! I know that I can't base my opinions on just the ones i've met but when I asked a few AirNet pilots of how they liked it the majority surprised me with a positive outlook. I guess that is another reason why I chose to fly with AirNet, its got some good positive energy, from what I saw.
 
nocturnalaviator said:
Why not they hired me? Ask AirNet that question. Its a job and like i said i'm not proud. My location was slow so flight time wasn't as best as I had hoped to be, but I gave it a shot and got a date.
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I really wasn't meaning to be rude or anything...sorry if it came off that way. It was just a serious question.

I find myself saying it more and more often, "Enjoy the ride!" You keep trying and trying to get to the 'next level' and forget that what you're doing right now is a ton of fun. For you, it's I can't wait to be Prop PIC at Airnet. For me, it's I can't wait to be Jet SIC. I used to get lost in the race for hours and watching the seniorty list, and I'd forget why I'm doing this. But then I remind myself, ENJOY THE RIDE! Don't be in a hurry b/c you'll rush and rush and find out your life sucks and you hate your job.

By the way, you made a great choice coming to Airnet. You'll love your job! See you in Columbus!
 
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