Airman takes co-pilot's stick during in-flight

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One point could be made John...If the FO can bring it to a stop on the runway, what need would it be to steer. The problem has really been "solved" to a certain extent when it comes to a stop on the ground. You could even land from the right side, set parking brake, and then taxi from the left if so inclined.
 
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Absolutley the FO should take the left seat. Unless your company has installed tillers on the right side! (I know the USAir A320s had it but I never saw one on the A300.)


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It's called, stopping the aircraft on the runway and let the emergency vehicles come to you, John.

I've taught enough f/o's transitioning to the left seat, both in the sim and during their IOE, to know that they are not in their comfort zone the first time out and it takes a little while to get the feel of it. Things look different and things feel different even though you've only moved a few feet. Can it be done? Sure? But why not just let the f/o do what he/she does best from the seat they're most comfortable in during a very stressful situation?
 
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I suppose you could stop it on the runway but I would be more concerned about getting the sick captain to the gate for adequate medical attention.

I have never seen any problems going from right to left - it's always been the reverse that was trouble.

Before you ask, Yes I was and still am a sim instructor.
 
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I think this arguement comes - risk all to save one, not the best idea IMHO.

I am sure they could get the captain out of the aircraft, and off in an ambulance very quickly, even if they decide to deplane on the runway.
 
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I think if my captain conked out, I'd probably stay in the right seat because I'm most used to that "picture" from the seat and where all of the controls are.

I don't have a 'tiller' on that side, but considering if the captain is hurt, it'd be easier and quicker to stop the aircraft on the high speed and have the trucks meet us nearby the runway. But of course, we have the luxury of an aft airstair on the MD-80 that they can run up.

But that's all pilot's discretion!

Here's a better question. You're an FO without an appropriate type rating, would it be PIC if the real PIC was incapacitated? Even if you didn't have appropriate ratings in accordance with the aircraft type?
 
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You mean like the drummer. No body ever gives a crap about the drummer.
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Yeah right!! The drummer's always way more remembered than the bass player!
 
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You mean like the drummer. No body ever gives a crap about the drummer.
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Yeah right!! The drummer's always way more remembered than the bass player!

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Yeah, but that's always after half of the band is dead!!
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I think if my captain conked out, I'd probably stay in the right seat because I'm most used to that "picture" from the seat and where all of the controls are.I don't have a 'tiller' on that side, but considering if the captain is hurt, it'd be easier and quicker to stop the aircraft on the high speed and have the trucks meet us nearby the runway. But of course, we have the luxury of an aft airstair on the MD-80 that they can run up.

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I suppose you could move over after landing
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Here's a better question. You're an FO without an appropriate type rating, would it be PIC if the real PIC was incapacitated? Even if you didn't have appropriate ratings in accordance with the aircraft type?

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It's PIC
 
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I'm with Doug and A300 here ... if this happens to me, I fly the airplane from the right seat, where I'm used to it ... no need to complicate things by switching up yoke and thrust lever hands or looking at an all-new sight picture in an already-stressful situation. Stop on the runway or clear on a high speed with rudder steering and stop promptly. Have the equipment meet you where the a/c stops and take off the sick captain ... then worry about getting to the gate. If there's another pilot on board (deadheader, commuter, whatever) who can come up and read the checklist and talk on the radio, so much the better.
 
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I'm with Doug and A300 here ... if this happens to me, I fly the airplane from the right seat, where I'm used to it ... no need to complicate things by switching up yoke and thrust lever hands or looking at an all-new sight picture in an already-stressful situation. Stop on the runway or clear on a high speed with rudder steering and stop promptly. Have the equipment meet you where the a/c stops and take off the sick captain ... then worry about getting to the gate. If there's another pilot on board (deadheader, commuter, whatever) who can come up and read the checklist and talk on the radio, so much the better.

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Agree completely with the stopping on the runway and all. But regards the seat question, is it really all that different? I mean, a few feet difference. So what if you're hands are now doing something slightly different, and the instruments are the same more or less on both sides.

Don't get me wrong, if you'd want to stay in the same seat, fine; I just wonder why there's all this consternation between the right and left seat being so different. IMO, should take only a little flexibility to fly from either seat.

In my cargo days, I used to fly most all my airplanes from either seat if I felt like it, and it never seemed that different.
 
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Flying from the other seat is weird because all of your normal visual cues are different -- at least to me. Plus everything's in different positions. It'd just be easier for me to stay in my seat and pretend that I'm ignoring the captain (as usual) than actually change seats and have to involve the 'learning curve' after changing seats.

You get a little 'anal' after sitting in the same seat seeing the same perspective after a few years.

Plus, in my opinion, me moving to the other seat gleans no extra advantage.
 
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Flying from the other seat is weird because all of your normal visual cues are different -- at least to me. Plus everything's in different positions. It'd just be easier for me to stay in my seat and pretend that I'm ignoring the captain (as usual) than actually change seats and have to involve the 'learning curve' after changing seats.

You get a little 'anal' after sitting in the same seat seeing the same perspective after a few years.

Plus, in my opinion, me moving to the other seat gleans no extra advantage.

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Yeah, I agree there's no extra advantage. So there are noticable differences in the transport-category birds. Cool. Learn something new everyday.
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I would say it is like driving in Europe. Yeah, at the end of the day it is driving, you put the car where you want it to go - but it is also so different, and far more difficult then it should be.
 
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Being a FO I probably would stay in the right seat and put someone in the Left seat to assist with checklists. I too fly a plane with a tiller only on the Capt's side. I would land and stop on the runway or highspeed since I have a limited ability to steer with differential braking. The aircraft has air stairs so getting help up to the ill pilot isn't an issue. If I didn't have stairs available I could always request a portable set be brought out with the emergency equiment or change seats after landing and taxi to the gate.

I have sat on the left side while acting as a Capt on another FO's checkride and the landing picture is definately different.
 
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Anybody have a link to an article about this incident? If it happened recently, I'm surprised it wasn't more 'hyped up' by the media.
 
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I would say it is like driving in Europe. Yeah, at the end of the day it is driving, you put the car where you want it to go - but it is also so different, and far more difficult then it should be.

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God, I can totally relate. When I went down to New Zealand, I rented a car to go and visit some vineyards. Man, was that strange.

And just like flying, the cruise part of it wasn't the problem. All I had to do is make sure I kept the centerline of the road on my right, and then I was set.

Nope, it was the slow part, the entering traffic, and so on that was tough. In the US, when we're going to make a turn, we look left, then right, then left. So what did I do? Exactly that.

Not the way you want to handle things when they drive on the left hand side of the road.
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I'm with Doug and A300 here ... if this happens to me, I fly the airplane from the right seat, where I'm used to it ... no need to complicate things by switching up yoke and thrust lever hands or looking at an all-new sight picture in an already-stressful situation. Stop on the runway or clear on a high speed with rudder steering and stop promptly. Have the equipment meet you where the a/c stops and take off the sick captain ... then worry about getting to the gate. If there's another pilot on board (deadheader, commuter, whatever) who can come up and read the checklist and talk on the radio, so much the better.

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I get no love here!?
 
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It's not one of types of websites, Kingairer!

Perhaps some 'luv' but 'love' is a little too Dr. Phil for us all. Ya know? "How's that working for ya?"/"That dawg don't hunt"!
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Fly where you're comfortable! If you'd be more comfy in the left seat, go for it!
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I hate Dr Phil.

Anyways...Here is what I said...
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If the FO can bring it to a stop on the runway, what need would it be to steer. The problem has really been "solved" to a certain extent when it comes to a stop on the ground. You could even land from the right side, set parking brake, and then taxi from the left if so inclined

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and I Get no LUV!
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You also need to make a PA and ask how many people had the fish.

<-----PS...DOnt those fries look good??
 
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You also need to make a PA and ask how many people had the fish.


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Ah yes, I remember. I had the lasagna.
 
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