Airman takes co-pilot's stick during in-flight

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Airman takes co-pilot\'s stick during in-flight

Tough way to get some stick time!!

Like most passengers on a commercial airlines flight, Lt. Col. Scott Neumann probably expected a long, uneventful flight from Dulles International Airport in Washington to Los Angeles.

Boy, was he wrong.

The deputy commander for the 412th Operations Group at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., had just wrapped up a semiannual National Aeronautic Association meeting and was settled into his seat in coach class for his coast-to-coast trip Nov. 9.

During the flight, he had struck up a conversation with one of the flight attendants. He shared that he had been a test pilot for the B-2 Spirit and other aircraft.

With small talk aside, the flight attendant went about her business, and so did Colonel Neumann -- but not for long.

"About one and a half hours into the flight, the flight attendant made an announcement requesting a doctor or nurse," he said. Then she gathered up the airliner's medical equipment and an oxygen bottle and headed toward the cockpit.

The co-pilot was having a seizure.

The pilot, an airline captain, had struggled to restrain the seizing co-pilot as he sought help and piloted the aircraft during the episode.

A nurse who was a passenger behind Colonel Neumann responded to the request for assistance. And when the call came out for a couple of strong, able bodies, Colonel Neumann and a fellow traveler stepped forward.

They moved the co-pilot into the forward galley to allow the nurse to treat his symptoms.

The 737's pilot, now without a co-pilot, decided to divert to Colorado Springs Airport. The flight attendant told him about Colonel Neumann's experience as a test pilot.

"You'll do," the captain told the colonel. So Colonel Neumann moved from coach to better than first class. Despite being new to the 737 airframe, Colonel Neumann said he helped the pilot run checklists and land the plane.

Upon landing in Colorado Springs just after 10 a.m., a medical crew from the base here arrived to assist the co-pilot.

Unfortunately, Colonel Neumann's eventful flight led to a crew and aircraft change in what was supposed to be a nonstop flight to Los Angeles. Given his involvement, the colonel was late in arriving to the ticket counter to get onto the new flight. The new aircraft was booked solid.

However, when the ticketing agent learned he had been the one who co-piloted the airliner after the emergency, the agent booked him a first-class seat.

"Not quite as good as the one I had," Colonel Neumann said.

On the plus side, the emergency allowed the test pilot to log in "two or three tenths of an hour in a 737," he said. It might not seem like much when compared to the stick time he has with the B-2, B-1 Lancer, F-16 Fighting Falcon, KC-135 Stratotanker, C-12 and C-130 Hercules airframes.

"But this will be a lot more memorable," he said. (Courtesy of Air Force Space Command News Service)
 
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Hmmmm, I wonder if the captain broke any FAR's there? (you know, allowing a passenger to fly the aircraft he does not have a type in)
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No body gives a hoot about the FO and if he survived! Typical!
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No body gives a hoot about the FO and if he survived! Typical!
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He's like the bass player!!
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You mean like the drummer. No body ever gives a crap about the drummer.
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Couldn't they have picked a better title to the story....that one just ain't right.
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You mean like the drummer. No body ever gives a crap about the drummer.
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Yeah, I guess the drummer is worse off than the bass player...
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Unfortunately that will be the end of that pilots career. About breaking FARs it is an emergency, therefor the captain can make the decision. A test pilot out of Edwards is probably as good as it gets.
 
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That poor FO. I hope he's okay.

Sadly after a seizure, he's going to have a lot of time off. A simple case of sleep apnea can put you out of work for months.

Here's wishing him the best in dealing with his company, the FAA and ALPA medical (if the carrier is an ALPA carrier).
 
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I was told when there is an emergency the FARs go out the window and just get the plane safely on the ground.
 
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That poor FO. I hope he's okay.

Sadly after a seizure, he's going to have a lot of time off. A simple case of sleep apnea can put you out of work for months.

Here's wishing him the best in dealing with his company, the FAA and ALPA medical (if the carrier is an ALPA carrier).

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He will have a tough time. My sympathies are with the FO.

In a case on crew incapaciation, the captain can put anyone in the right seat. In the past, they have put FAs there to read checklists and move flap levers.

Question for all you experts:
Q. Suppose it was the captain who had the siezure? Could the FO put anyone he wanted in the left seat? Or could/should he move to the left and put someone in the right?
 
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Suppose it was the captain who had the siezure? Could the FO put anyone he wanted in the left seat? Or could/should he move to the left and put someone in the right?

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The f/o now becomes the captain and can do what ever is necessary to assure the safe outcome of the flight. If he/she wants to remain in the right seat where he/she is more comfortable and familiar, that's fine. If he/she decides to put someone in the left seat, that's fine.

I would much rather the f/o remain in a seat where he/she is comfortable and put someone in the left seat in lieu of playing a game of Chinese fire drill and having two people in unfamiliar seats.
 
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If he/she decides to put someone in the left seat, that's fine.

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Woulsn't it would be easier just to close the door and land yourself? That is unless you have a deadheading 121 guy.
 
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Being a good pilot as I'm sure this person would be, He would employ good cockpit resource management and choose a competent person to assist him in a very trying time. Nothing beats an extra set of eyes, he could simply tell the other person (preferably a seasoned aviator, but I would accept a private pilot if that what was available to me), to watch his airspeed and rates of descents and to call out any deviations beyond stated parameters. I would elect to move into the left seat, absent a rated and current pilot, if only to be the one to use the tiller stearing found on the left side of large aircraft, I wouldn't put that responsability on some less qualified than myself. I would venture to say that any pilot could do as well if not better from the left seat ...see law of primacy.
As far as getting into trouble for bring a passenger up front to assist ... aint going to happen. The pilot would be justified in bringing 10 people into the cockpit if that is what he deemed best in the interest of safety.
Oh and for letting someone fly the airplane that isn't rated ... quess what ... most airline FO are not rated in the aircraft in which they fly. But the bottom line here is that the passenger isn't would never fly an airplane in this scenerio, the first officer would do all the flying, the passenger is just being utilized as previously stated to increase the resources available to the first officer in this situation.

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Being a good pilot as I'm sure this person would be, He would employ good cockpit resource management and choose a competent person to assist him in a very trying time.

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So a lifelong single-seat guy like myself is the last person you'd call up to the deck?
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Pilot or not, any help is better then no help at all; a non-pilot can read a checklist.
 
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Pilot or not, any help is better then no help at all; a non-pilot can read a checklist.

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True, but a pilot is likely to understand a checklist and have a better idea of what he/she is looking for opposed to having to have the FO walk a non-pilot through each step as well as possibly having to flip through a checklist while also flying the aircraft.

But either way ... Get 'er done!

Hope the FO is okay.
 
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Suppose it was the captain who had the siezure? Could the FO put anyone he wanted in the left seat? Or could/should he move to the left and put someone in the right?

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The f/o now becomes the captain and can do what ever is necessary to assure the safe outcome of the flight. If he/she wants to remain in the right seat where he/she is more comfortable and familiar, that's fine. If he/she decides to put someone in the left seat, that's fine.

I would much rather the f/o remain in a seat where he/she is comfortable and put someone in the left seat in lieu of playing a game of Chinese fire drill and having two people in unfamiliar seats.

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And you fly an A300? I'm surprised at you!

Absolutley the FO should take the left seat. Unless your company has installed tillers on the right side! (I know the USAir A320s had it but I never saw one on the A300.)

Who's going to steer the thing after landing? The FA?
 
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