Airlines: No more Air Marshals in first class

[Firebird2XC]

I think this is a political move to get TSA and DOJ operators out of the airlines' hair.

The airline executive types are forgetting already.

This is all to reminiscent of the days of frequent hijackings. Nobody cares until it happens to them. Even then, once the threat has passed, the people holding the purse strings still don't care that much.

 

[MQAAord]

I still don't understand why it's not sop to throw on the masks on continous flow, dump the cabin and put any would-be hijackers to sleep. Since the pax masks are garbage above 250 anyway, it's not like they could continue the fight, even if they did put them on. I'm sure the rest of the people in the back would eventually forgive you

There are O2 bottles in the cabin, for F/A use in decompressions and in medical situations. A hijacker/terrorist who has done his/her research will know this, and might (that's might) be able to get to one of them, as their locations are, per FAA requirements, placarded. They may become quickly incapacitated, but they may have the wherewithal to get a bottle.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

Not all of those assumptions are true. You'd be surprised. The days of an Air Marshal looking like he stepped out of a 5.11 store are in the past. While there are some that fit "the profile", there are many that don't.

:yeahthat:

 

[Pépé le Pilot]

I can tell you they are invisible and very good....that is all

Mmmmh, (in Paris), they walk around the airport with 2 French cops, they board first, with small Pelicase on top of their carryon, don't go through the metal detector, look like your average Blackwater employee, they seem pretty visible to me... Meaning that they are obviously making their presence visible.
I was on a flight to DC, biz class, 2 of them were seating left and right of me, and they didn't seem too overly concerned by what was going on.

 

[Bumblebee]

Mmmmh, (in Paris), they walk around the airport with 2 French cops, they board first, with small Pelicase on top of their carryon, don't go through the metal detector, look like your average Blackwater employee, they seem pretty visible to me... Meaning that they are obviously making their presence visible.
I was on a flight to DC, biz class, 2 of them were seating left and right of me, and they didn't seem too overly concerned by what was going on.

I was flying domestically sitting next to a couple (me in uniform) you would have never picked either one out, nor know they were together.

 

[Rosstafari]

I sent my friend the link from this article, and he is confused because he said that the FAMs buy their tickets on the flight last minute

Your friend is mistaken.

 

[Bigey]

Once upon a time when i was non-reving

"Uhh, sir, do you mind coming close to me so i can whisper something in your ear?"

"Uhhh sure?"

"I didnt want to say it out loud, but I can see your gun..."

"Thanks, but you're the only sitting up here that doesnt have one..."

 

[3green]

The reality is there are alot of posters on here acting like they know security better than a law enforcement officer does. Rosstafari is dead on. You'd be surprised who's an LEO and who is not. Stop watching TV so much and you'll realize cops aren't easy to pick out of a crowd. LEO's depend on the naive general publics perception and stereotypical hollywood images on what they think a cop should look like to their advantage. I've worked and met cops/agents that you'd never guess they were in law enforcement.

Pilots can defend the cockpit, but the AM is going to defend the other side of that door. I would not depend on the general public to respond correctly, that is a roll of the dice that no one is going to put faith in. Just think about the guy who helped stopped a robbery in New York only to end up dying of a injury on the side walk after a couple of hours of people just walking by his bleeding body

 

[Bandit_Driver]

Once upon a time when i was non-reving

"Uhh, sir, do you mind coming close to me so i can whisper something in your ear?"

"Uhhh sure?"

"I didnt want to say it out loud, but I can see your gun..."

"Thanks, but you're the only sitting up here that doesnt have one..."

LMAO

The reality is there are alot of posters on here acting like they know security better than a law enforcement officer does. Rosstafari is dead on. You'd be surprised who's an LEO and who is not. Stop watching TV so much and you'll realize cops aren't easy to pick out of a crowd. LEO's depend on the naive general publics perception and stereotypical hollywood images on what they think a cop should look like to their advantage. I've worked and met cops/agents that you'd never guess they were in law enforcement.

Pilots can defend the cockpit, but the AM is going to defend the other side of that door. I would not depend on the general public to respond correctly, that is a roll of the dice that no one is going to put faith in. Just think about the guy who helped stopped a robbery in New York only to end up dying of a injury on the side walk after a couple of hours of people just walking by his bleeding body

Exactly right. I have met some LEO's that are 300+ lbs, dreads, tats, etc. You'd never guys in million years the guy was a cop.

The NY incident is a tragedy. People just don't want to get involved for whatever reason.

 

[CaptBill]

There are O2 bottles in the cabin, for F/A use in decompressions and in medical situations. A hijacker/terrorist who has done his/her research will know this, and might (that's might) be able to get to one of them, as their locations are, per FAA requirements, placarded. They may become quickly incapacitated, but they may have the wherewithal to get a bottle.

Easy answer Amber. Turn the seat belt sign on before you decompress the cabin and then they (the bad guys) will be required to stay in their seats.....Wala, no using the POBs.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

Easy answer Amber. Turn the seat belt sign on before you decompress the cabin and then they (the bad guys) will be required to stay in their seats.....Wala, no using the POBs.

LOL good one...Just like the ENG FAIL push to cancel light in the 727 actually cancels the engine failure..