Airliner down in Russia, all feared dead

Murdoughnut said:
Wow, that was fast (that's what she said).
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Is that what she said? Haha


Anyway... That article was crazy. So let me get this straight...they go around, yank up so hard that they stall it, then go 90 degrees nose down to compensate and plug it into the ground? WTF?
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
Is that what she said? Haha


Anyway... That article was crazy. So let me get this straight...they go around, yank up so hard that they stall it, then go 90 degrees nose down to compensate and plug it into the ground? WTF?
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Insert speculation disclaimer here. Actually, this qualifies for the comment on speculation exception.

A stall resulting in OCF and nose-down attitude doesn't seem that strange to me. The suggestion that they hadn't stalled and overcompensated to avert a stall and ended up in that attitude certainly sounds silly. I'm curious if the 737 sims model OCF very well.

I'm always surprised that journalists covering aviation accidents go to the trouble to interview an expert but don't ask that same expert to review the finished product before publication.
 
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Pilot Fighter said:
Insert speculation disclaimer here. Actually, this qualifies for the comment on speculation exception.

A stall resulting in OCF and nose-down attitude doesn't seem that strange to me. The suggestion that they hadn't stalled and overcompensated to avert a stall and ended up in that attitude certainly sounds silly. I'm curious if the 737 sims model OCF very well.

I'm always surprised that journalists covering aviation accidents go to the trouble to interview an expert but don't ask that same expert to review the finished product before publication.
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Looking at that vid I really have to question how one could get a 737 to go vertical nose down like that without trying. What airplane would pitch over that far, that fast on its own? Just doesn't make sense without some very aggressive control inputs.


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Is it possible this 737 never received a proper duel servo valve replacement for its rudder PCU?
 
Crop Duster said:
Looking at that vid I really have to question how one could get a 737 to go vertical nose down like that without trying. What airplane would pitch over that far, that fast on its own? Just doesn't make sense without some very aggressive control inputs.
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If this was a go-around, I would think it would have had to be initiated pretty early to allow the plane to crash on a runway in that attitude. Your post poses an interesting question, at x altitude, what's the fastest way to get extreme nose-down, OCF or controlled flight?
 
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surreal1221 said:
In Motherland Russia, Airplane does not crash and explode...altimeter setting increases whenever Vladmir Putin says increase from 29.88 to 30.47.
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Именно так!
Clearly, highest class pictures are being used in the accident investigation.

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Considering who might have been on that plane for a special passenger, the lack of evidence ( some minor things are already missing that would help find out what happened) and what kind of people are tasked with the investigation, I'd say: The front fell off.

 
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"The head of Tartarstan Airlines, Aksan Giniyatullin, told a news conference Tuesday in Kazan that the two pilots had plenty of flying experience _ ranging from 1,900 to 2,500 hours _ and had undergone all the necessary instruction."
 
I don't think they log time the same way we do here, which greatly deflates their "hours". I'd assume by U.S. standards one probably had 3000+, the other some 5000+ hours.
Not sure if that still is considered being a greenhorn by those who start logging flight time when the master switch comes on... To this day I log Europe/ East style flight time (wheels leave the ground to wheels touch the ground) to be sure my U.S. flight time is accepted for currency and logging purposes. Off topic, of course, so sorry in advance. Generally we see about 30-35% of the flight time deducted from time logged in the U.S.
 
SteveC said:
"The head of Tartarstan Airlines, Aksan Giniyatullin, told a news conference Tuesday in Kazan that the two pilots had plenty of flying experience _ ranging from 1,900 to 2,500 hours _ and had undergone all the necessary instruction."
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I can fly 737z?
 
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