Airline Pilots Are Glorified Bus Drivers

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A lot of people could never even earn their private, don't kid yourselves. And I never plan to drive anything for a living. I plan to fly stuff. Big difference. And if you have the attitude that flying is just a job and you're just like anyone else, no one is ever going to think you deserve to be paid much more than everyone else. Do you ever see an athlete go on the record saying playing in the NFL is just a job and they're really average people? Its all in the image and public perception. Ever seen footage of a 60/70s airline pilot walking around an airport terminal? You could tell from the way they strolled around how highly they thought of themselves. They thought they were badass, the public thought they were badass, they were paid accordingly. Pilots start talking about how easy newer airplanes are to fly, programs start saying you can be an airline pilot in 90 days, bitching about the career becomes public and widespread, and poof, the public image takes a huge hit.

As much as I think the majority of the flying public couldn't add 2 single digit numbers together, the fact is what they think directly reflects the profession. Talking about how "easy" flying is won't help. Flying is not easy. Scanning a boarding pass as a passenger boards a plane is easy. Maybe even monitoring auto-pilot for hours could be "easy". But flying a fully-loaded 172 at night in moderate turbulence over mountains, hauling freight thru a thunderstorm in a 40 year old turboprop that's falling apart, formation aerobatics inches off the wing of another airplane, fire bombing in a P-3, fighting an airplane that's suffered a structural failure, flying close air support under AA fire, or ditching an airliner aren't. All are different walks of flying, and they all take skill, balls, and aptitude. Most people could never do that stuff. Maybe you think your flying job is easy, but don't speak for everyone else by saying "flying" is easy. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Can we just copy and paste this every time another person claims flying is easy? Very well said.

Just to add: years ago I used to hang out at an RC airplane field where a bunch of cocky, computer IT types would fly their RC planes around on weekends. They were all convinced that flying their RC planes was more difficult than flying a real airliner. Why? Because some idiot Delta pilot would stumble through every now and then and actually utter those words. As such everybody there thought pilots ( the real kind, not their RC version of the name) were overpaid bus drivers. They would hee haw at our expense, make jokes about flying real airplanes, and reduce our profession to dirt just before pushing the little sticks forward on their remote controls for another thrilling RC flight.

Such a shame.... and the person to blame for it all was an actual airline pilot. We don't realize how much damage our words do to this profession.
 
They're lucky I wasn't around. I would have knocked the controls out of their hands, thrown those nerds in a dumpster, and shouted "Odoyle rules".
 
out of the mouth of babes....

Well, it made a lot more sense to me than the self deprecating nonsense I've read from others in this thread. Basically Chasen is saying pilots are their own worst enemies when it comes to self image and public perception. I agree with him 100%. You don't have to be a rugged pilot industry veteran to understand that.
 
Well, it made a lot more sense to me than the self deprecating nonsense I've read from others in this thread. Basically Chasen is saying pilots are their own worst enemies when it comes to self image and public perception. I agree with him 100%. You don't have to be a rugged pilot industry veteran to understand that.
Pretty much what I was getting at. You don't have to be paid to fly to realize that most every time airline pilots as a group reach out to the public, they are either saying "our jobs suck" or "we're just like everyone else" in an attempt to dispel the stereotypes of the high paid pilots of the past...which were highly respected. Kind of a catch 22 there.
 
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I think you missed the point. The student was clearly using the analogy to degrade the profession because being a bus driver is considered a job that almost anyone can do.


So is being a pilot.
So is being a pilot.

Not sure what your background is, but not everybody can be a pilot. I'm a CFI and every day I see people who simply can't/won't make it.
 
Not really a great comparison. You CAN actually be a pilot and a bus driver with a high school education. You can't be a Surgeon with a high school diploma alone, but you can be a butcher. So - in the bus driver/pilot comparison they are talking about the minimal level of education that is common (although you can't get hired at a Major today with just that).

Actually, I think it's quite a fitting comparison. What I do every day can't be taught in a typical 6 credit college class. I have to go home and study my butt off, then get into the airplane and try and learn. Same thing with a doctor. You go home and study, then go to the hospital and learn. Doctors can sometimes use their trade elsewhere. We can't. There simply is no way of teaching someone how to be a pilot using the traditional educational system- hence there is no formal "degree" associated.

For those guys who think that anybody can fly because of the 90 day zero to hero programs out there, please don't degrade those of us who have worked hard to get where we are. If you want to find out what happens when you try to fly an airplane without proper training, just go up to Buffalo...
 
You guys really think highly of yourselves. This job is really more about attention to detail than any superhuman knowledge or skill.

Last time I checked, engineers and doctors also needed to pay close attention to detail. Those professions don't require, nor do their practitioners have superhuman knowledge.
 
Just to add: years ago I used to hang out at an RC airplane field where a bunch of cocky, computer IT types would fly their RC planes around on weekends. They were all convinced that flying their RC planes was more difficult than flying a real airliner. Why? Because some idiot Delta pilot would stumble through every now and then and actually utter those words. As such everybody there thought pilots ( the real kind, not their RC version of the name) were overpaid bus drivers. They would hee haw at our expense, make jokes about flying real airplanes, and reduce our profession to dirt just before pushing the little sticks forward on their remote controls for another thrilling RC flight.

Such a shame.... and the person to blame for it all was an actual airline pilot. We don't realize how much damage our words do to this profession.

I wouldn't worry too much about the RC crowd. Never mind a Delta plane- put them in a 172 and watch their minds change.

I wish pilots would stop telling pax that it's real easy, and the AP is engaged all the time. Most people have no understanding of an autopilot, and they probably liken it to cruise control on their car. Cruise control is on or off, and it maintains the speed- that's it. The fairly rudimentary lateral or vertical modes on the 172 autopilot are a fair bit more complex than cruise control, and can really bite you in the ass if you don't understand how to use it. Enter the autoflight system of a modern jet, with multiple modes and submodes, and I think you'll find that even learning how to use the autopilot takes some time. Anybody ever heard the "what's it doing now?" joke?
 
Last time I checked, engineers and doctors also needed to pay close attention to detail. Those professions don't require, nor do their practitioners have superhuman knowledge.

They don't? Do you have any idea how much hell you need to go through to get INTO med school, to say nothing about get THROUGH med school?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you've got the academic ability to get through med school, and the hand eye coordination to cut people open for a living, being a pilot is likely a waste of your talents.
 
They don't? Do you have any idea how much hell you need to go through to get INTO med school, to say nothing about get THROUGH med school?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you've got the academic ability to get through med school, and the hand eye coordination to cut people open for a living, being a pilot is likely a waste of your talents.

I had a neurosurgeon student when I was a CFI that was one of the WORST students I've ever had. Absolutely no coordination with the airplane, and was the only person I've ever seen that managed to put a 172 in an incipient spin on accident (I always had to try my hardest to demo that to students!). He never even came close to soloing. He is a nationally renowned surgeon, and is known as one of the best in the world. An absolutely great guy, with no ego. But his brilliant surgical precision did not transfer over to piloting skill.

I also have a friend who's graduating from med school this year. She's absolutely brilliant, and has already published several papers and received several prestigious awards. She is also an absolutely terrible driver, and has had numerous accidents. I've taken her flying, and let's just say that she won't be flying an airplane anytime soon.
 
When you see people get 100 hours pre-solo and eventually throw enough of their parents money at it to buy a commercial pilots license it kinda makes you wonder about the whole process. Of course, the fact they cant fly or study to save their life will eventually catch up to them, but as of right now they are just as legal as me and you.

And i'm not just pulling one extreme example out of my ass. I could write a book...
 
They don't? Do you have any idea how much hell you need to go through to get INTO med school, to say nothing about get THROUGH med school?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you've got the academic ability to get through med school, and the hand eye coordination to cut people open for a living, being a pilot is likely a waste of your talents.
and Bonanza's were known as doctor killers, why?
 
You mean that doctors make lots of money and can afford Bonanzas, an expensive aircraft?

I always figured it meant that well-off people buy airplanes they aren't qualified to fly, and plant them into the dirt because they lack the necessary ability to keep current at a level required by the airframe.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you've got the academic ability to get through med school, and the hand eye coordination to cut people open for a living, being a pilot is likely a waste of your talents.

I'm not sure why exactly, but I find this more than a bit insulting.
 
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