Airbus UpNext Robo A350

tcco94 said:
Didn’t they axe the panel on airplanes though accelerating it? This tech doesn’t seem to be able to just be stapled onto airplanes that are going to be around for 20+ years after purchase, at least that’s not how I understand it as of now.

I think the timeline from 2 to 1 is likely a lot further out than Previous pasts technology cutting guys up front. This next step is more like a huge leap. I can see it happening but I just don’t think it’s a massive worry right now.

what I’m more worried about is the attempts to cut augmented crews down to 2 pilot augmented flights that Asia is adamant on testing. That to me seems a lot closer than single pilot airliners.
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You’re vastly underestimating how quickly this technology is developing.
 
Even if it was introduced and approved tomorrow, it still wouldn't affect pilots needs for many years. This isn't going to be a retrofit to existing fleets, most of which have decades of service left.
 
scooter2525 said:
I’m sure when the ICE became a new thing from horse and buggy the media would lose their minds then too.

Also, what is the ratio of ICE/Tesla on the road?
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Maybe it’s a bias I hold but I feel like in socal the majority of the time I see someone do something stupid or blatantly reckless they’re in a Tesla. Which is funny to me that people with self driving cars down there seem to be the ones most likely to be awful drivers.
 
Fixtur said:
There's still going to be plenty of jets that require two pilots until well after we retire.
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I think the slow speed of the FAA could protect pilots from obsolescence for a few more decades, at least for part 121 operations. But many other people's jobs will be automated out of existence in the coming years anyway, so most pilots will be effectively obsolete anyway- there won't be much demand for air travel with the Depression-level unemployment rates that are coming once technological unemployment is common.
 
tcco94 said:
And how quick is that? You act like this was created a year ago and ignored everything else I said. Me thinks this is a good justification for you to defend you leaving industry, so go ahead and ride it out how this tech is developing faster than everyone knows.
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I left the industry almost a decade ago, long before AI was even in its infancy in useful applications, so it clearly had nothing to do with that. Besides, I don’t need a “justification” for leaving. I wanted to leave, so I did. Pretty simple.

As far as how quickly? Breakneck speed. Just ten years ago, it was difficult to develop machine learning that could beat a human at a single kind of game. Now that’s child’s play, and machine learning that can mimic a human copyrighter is not only commercially available, it’s available for free. Cars drive themselves on complicated city streets. Etc.

Will pilots be obsolete in 30 years? No. Will their obsolescence be well under way and many jobs already lost? Almost certainly. But it’s not just your job, it’s also mine, lawyers, doctors, etc. No one is really safe. The safest jobs will be those for skilled manual labor, because that requires complex and expensive hardwire, while most other work just requires software.

@Yakob may be an alarmist on a great many things, but he’s not wrong about this.

scooter2525 said:
I’m sure when the ICE became a new thing from horse and buggy the media would lose their minds then too.

Also, what is the ratio of ICE/Tesla on the road?
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Teslas are statistically six times safer than other vehicles on a pro rata basis. The stats are publicly available.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
Teslas are statistically six times safer than other vehicles on a pro rata basis. The stats are publicly available.
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Tesla 3 drove off a 250' cliff and everyone lost their minds and dribbled something about "AI driving"

Turns out the guy tried to suicide and take his wife and 2 kids with him.

Everyone got out with minor injuries.

If you want to commit suicide, try it with an ICE car...
 
DropTank said:
"When will 2 pilot passenger airliners take over the market?"

As soon as it's financially viable.


What doesn't matter:
Passenger opinion
Your 'feelings'
Tradition
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Passenger opinion could affect whether it's financially viable or not, but I think very few passengers will avoid flying on pilotless on single pilot airliners. Especially since most people think planes more or less fly themselves as it is and pilots are overpaid button pushers. Especially once seldom driving vehicles become more common and people become more used to riding on autonomous vehicles- there may be a few people who object to pilotless aircraft and refuse to ride on them but I seriously doubt it would be enough to make a difference.
 
Yakob said:
Passenger opinion could affect whether it's financially viable or not, but I think very few passengers will avoid flying on pilotless on single pilot airliners. Especially since most people think planes more or less fly themselves as it is and pilots are overpaid button pushers. Especially once seldom driving vehicles become more common and people become more used to riding on autonomous vehicles- there may be a few people who object to pilotless aircraft and refuse to ride on them but I seriously doubt it would be enough to make a difference.
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The comfort will be eased along by the slow transition. They'll start off with single pilot, then eventually get to pilotless. People will get comfortable first with only one pilot, then once they're good with that, an easier transition to none. Each generation is more comfortable than the last with trusting tech. By 30 years from now, the boomers will be gone, the millennials will be retired, and the Gen Zs and As will be the people making the purchasing decisions, and they won't give a damn.
 
Yakob said:
Passenger opinion could affect whether it's financially viable or not, but I think very few passengers will avoid flying on pilotless on single pilot airliners. Especially since most people think planes more or less fly themselves as it is and pilots are overpaid button pushers. Especially once seldom driving vehicles become more common and people become more used to riding on autonomous vehicles- there may be a few people who object to pilotless aircraft and refuse to ride on them but I seriously doubt it would be enough to make a difference.
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Dude....
People fly on Spirit...
WILLINGLY
 
JordanD said:
Maybe it’s a bias I hold but I feel like in socal the majority of the time I see someone do something stupid or blatantly reckless they’re in a Tesla. Which is funny to me that people with self driving cars down there seem to be the ones most likely to be awful drivers.
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Around here it’s generally Lexus’ that are the likely to do something dumb.

Also, not all Tesla’s are self driving. It’s a 15,000 dollar option now and and in my opinion, worthless.
 
BlueMoon said:
Around here it’s generally Lexus’ that are the likely to do something dumb.

Also, not all Tesla’s are self driving. It’s a 15,000 dollar option now and and in my opinion, worthless.
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Well, if you think it's worthless, you've likely never used it or don't know how to. But regardless, that's not entirely accurate. The basic features of autopilot, such as autosteer, come with every Tesla. It's the FSD features that are the upgrade. And now it's not a one-time option, it's available by monthly subscription (brilliant on Elon's part).
 
Yakob said:
I think the slow speed of the FAA could protect pilots from obsolescence for a few more decades, at least for part 121 operations. But many other people's jobs will be automated out of existence in the coming years anyway, so most pilots will be effectively obsolete anyway- there won't be much demand for air travel with the Depression-level unemployment rates that are coming once technological unemployment is common.
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Geez man. 3 years post Covid and you still live in this doom? I don’t even care about automated airplanes. Your view on the world is concerning.
 
SlumTodd_Millionaire said:
The comfort will be eased along by the slow transition. They'll start off with single pilot, then eventually get to pilotless. People will get comfortable first with only one pilot, then once they're good with that, an easier transition to none. Each generation is more comfortable than the last with trusting tech. By 30 years from now, the boomers will be gone, the millennials will be retired, and the Gen Zs and As will be the people making the purchasing decisions, and they won't give a damn.
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Well in the movie interstellar, we won’t be able to grow crops anymore so hopefully I’m dead by that generation ey
 
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