Air Safety does it again!

SFCC/UND said:
Are you saying that airplanes in Phoenix can't get carb icing?
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Theoretically, you can get icing anywhere depending upon the conditions. Unlike Spokane, deserts are typically not conducive to carburettor icing. Phoenix is in the Sonoran desert. Hence, it is typically unlikely to have factors favorable for the generation of carb ice.

Let's use this particular incident as an example -

Here's the METAR for Phoenix when the emergency landing occurred:


KPHX 151551Z 27014KT 10SM FEW050 SCT100 17/00 A2979

Below is a chart for determining carb ice probability (17C = 63F, 0C = 32F):



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Theoretically the probability for icing is right on the edge. Is it possible? Probably. Is it likely? Statistically under the conditions they had that morning, it isn't. The point is, when I hear a piston airplane had a problem in Phoenix, icing isn't the first thing to jump into my head.
 
That is a dumb way of thinking.

I hated instructors that told me to forget about the carb heat. Even on 120 degree days I still used it. Its called habit. What happens when you go fly to Flagstaff or Prescott in the winter and forget about the carb heat.

I don't care if you're flying on the sun, use your carb heat ALWAYS, no excuses not to.
 
They always tried to get me to not have my students use carb heat... told them I thought that was retarded!
 
X-Forces said:
Both of them? At the same time?:confused:
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I had this scare in a PA28. Fortunately both didnt fail. I tried numerous power settings and mixtures, turn to mag 1,2,both and repeat. You name it, nada. I was like "OH EF , both mags are dead" Suddenly I hear a hard choke sound then the RPMs come back and I landed the mofo right a way. I think my #2 fired up. I cant remember but both of the mags seemed dead or at least inop until I found the good mixture and power setting. I feel I simply lucked out and was close to the airport. To be honest, its been pretty tough getting me back into an airplane since then.
 
Champcar said:
That is a dumb way of thinking.

I hated instructors that told me to forget about the carb heat. Even on 120 degree days I still used it. Its called habit. What happens when you go fly to Flagstaff or Prescott in the winter and forget about the carb heat.

I don't care if you're flying on the sun, use your carb heat ALWAYS, no excuses not to.
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Is that comment directed to me? I'm assuming it was not, as I never mentioned anything about not using carb heat.

I always advised my students to use carb head whenever operating the engine in conditions that were at risk for carb icing (usually in low powered descents on most trainers).

But I also made sure they understood why they were doing this. That way they wouldn't make dumb comments about being more at risk for carb icing in the winter time (hint - you're not). Blindly following procedures without understanding why is not a good trait. Since you seem to think icing is dependent upon temperature only, you do not seem to understand carb ice very well.
 
That a/c used to be leased by DCA. I flew that a/c back from Lakeland after it got it's DCA paint job.:rolleyes:
 
Haha Yeah, that is an old DCA aircraft... I think Bill Christiansen owns it. I have time in it in my logbook from the spring of 08... sucks they still have that airplane!
 
jwp_145 said:
Haha Yeah, that is an old DCA aircraft... I think Bill Christiansen owns it. I have time in it in my logbook from the spring of 08... sucks they still have that airplane!
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Bill Christiansen owns almost every C152. I need to thank him for getting a crappy BE-76 from OSU when I did my multi stuff down in Tulsa, plane sucked.
 
jwp_145 said:
Haha Yeah, that is an old DCA aircraft... I think Bill Christiansen owns it. I have time in it in my logbook from the spring of 08... sucks they still have that airplane!
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Bill seems to own a/c everywhere. They're never the top-of-the-barrel a/c either. I know at one time (still probably are) the 52's at Spartan were all leased from Christanson. The good thing about that though is that it was Spartans MX taking care of them. Have you seen the MX at Christanson????:rolleyes:

SFCC/UND said:
Bill Christiansen owns almost every C152. I need to thank him for getting a crappy BE-76 from OSU when I did my multi stuff down in Tulsa, plane sucked.
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I had a few friends do there multi add on in that a/c, they weren't to fond of it either! :panic:
 
If you do a search on Christiansen Aviation, you'll get a bunch of articles about crashes and at least one of the aircraft involved in each mishap was leased by his company.
 
Christiansen Aviation Duchesses are like the village bicycle...Everyone's had a ride.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Kids were text messaging? Who the crap gives their elementary school students cell phones...and what kind of school lets them use them in class.
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My 9 year old has had one for a couple years now. She is diabetic so she needs to call us and let us know what she's eating.

ALL of her friends have cell phones also tho.....
 
Champcar said:
That is a dumb way of thinking.

I hated instructors that told me to forget about the carb heat. Even on 120 degree days I still used it. Its called habit. What happens when you go fly to Flagstaff or Prescott in the winter and forget about the carb heat.

I don't care if you're flying on the sun, use your carb heat ALWAYS, no excuses not to.
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I understand your point, but I have to disagree with the application.

We train our guys to use carb heat when required, rather then always regardless of the situation. You have a valid argument regarding habit, but when you are flying in an area when sometimes you barely have enough power to climb out on takeoff the last thing I want on a go around, on a 115F degree day with nearly full tanks and three guys in the plane is the carb heat on reducing my already dismal power output.
 
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