Air India plane crash

MikeD said:
Some of those areas are darn near like northeast Afghanistan. Where if you ejected, you’d better hope you are conscious. As immediately after swat-man separation, you’d better pull the manual chute release handle, lest your hit the ground before the automatic opening device kicks in.
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Yeah for sure. We normally didn't do much that far north due to tanker support, but the few times I did get there, it was very impressive how close those mountains came up to get you. Tanking at 28k ft in tanker mountain wave (not perceptible to us small wing people unless trying to stay in the basket of a heavy which was) was fun.
 
Ian_J said:
Seems odd an emergency descent QRH would single out a specific location in the US.
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It must have something to do with the company’s routing for airports listed in C070 and this being the most critical situation under method 2.
 
///AMG said:
Yeah for sure. We normally didn't do much that far north due to tanker support, but the few times I did get there, it was very impressive how close those mountains came up to get you. Tanking at 28k ft in tanker mountain wave (not perceptible to us small wing people unless trying to stay in the basket of a heavy which was) was fun.
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We worked up there out of Bagram, and the ejection concern was definitely a thing. Some of the highest areas, we couldn’t even clear when loaded out just to cross over them.
 
MikeD said:
We worked up there out of Bagram, and the ejection concern was definitely a thing. Some of the highest areas, we couldn’t even clear when loaded out just to cross over them.
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Was your automatic separation initiated at similar altitude to us (14,500 IIRC)?

As for clearing terrain, that was never a problem for us, but hanging out in the tanker basket fully loaded with a combat load out approaching being topped off, you had to use a little afterburner to not fall out up in the high 20's (especially if on a KC-10, which was pretty fast around the tanker track). Which seemed a little counter intuitive.
 
///AMG said:
Was your automatic separation initiated at similar altitude to us (14,500 IIRC)?
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14,000 +/- 2000 for us. Depending on velocity and radalt sensed.

///AMG said:
As for clearing terrain, that was never a problem for us, but hanging out in the tanker basket fully loaded with a combat load out approaching being topped off, you had to use a little afterburner to not fall out up in the high 20's (especially if on a KC-10, which was pretty fast around the tanker track). Which seemed a little counter intuitive.
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Never asked the tanker to tobbagan? We often had to, if they didn’t automatically.
 
MikeD said:
Never asked the tanker to tobbagan? We often had to, if they didn’t automatically.
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No, I was too young and dumb to know about that on my first cruise when we were actually exploring the N/NE of the country. Like you say, they probably sometimes did it on their own, and I probably just thought "well that was easier than normal" in hindsight :) Let's just say I never knew about mountain wave until the airlines. Fun stuff you pick up trying out other parts of aviation/learning about them (though thats admittedly pretty basic stuff for swept wing transport category airplanes)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Yup. Because India still has them and the fire damage is beyond their capabilities to decode.




www.outlookindia.com

Air India Crash: Civil Aviation Minister Rejects Speculations on Black Boxes Being Sent Abroad

Civil Aviation Minister K. Ram Mohan Naidu confirms black box will be examined by India. "Let the AAIB conduct the probe and go through the entire process," dismissing claims of sending the boxes abroad.
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As the story goes, the AAIB recently spent millions upon millions (crores) of Rupees on their AAIB facilities, including "state of the art" decoding facilities, equipment, and room. And this is the first crash to use new space/equipment... and... they can't.


So at this point, saving face is more important than getting truth in a timely fashion. *Insert Indian head nod*
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probably just need to clear the cookies and cache
 
Inverted said:
Makes you wonder if AAIP found info that they want to control...
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Kinda makes sense to me that India wants to control all aspects of the investigation including dissemination of information. I don’t think that equates to a cover-up. I don’t love that NTSB releases non-pertinent stuff that might be embarrassing.
 
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