///AMG
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I prefer "inverse video" when something is out of limits, like we got on the Super Hornet and Growler. I think the guppy maybe flashes it at you? Have never seen anything out of limits other than in the sim on it though.
Air India plane crash
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I prefer "inverse video" when something is out of limits, like we got on the Super Hornet and Growler. I think the guppy maybe flashes it at you? Have never seen anything out of limits other than in the sim on it though.
Roger Roger
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I think the guppy probably turns on a light back behind your head which flashes in Morse code to tell you the problem like when your car has a check engine light and you don’t use an OBDII reader
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Duh, you should be doing RPM*Torque (in ft-lbs) / 5252 to get the current horsepower, then don't exceed max rated or ITT and you'll be good!
But seriously, I get it in steam gauge airplanes, but in anything where there's literally anything digital all that • should just be a floating red line and a percentage of power. Like, set whatever prop setting you want, but black levers should be restricted by a computed red line that will automatically change as you fly.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Yup. Because India still has them and the fire damage is beyond their capabilities to decode.
www.outlookindia.com
As the story goes, the AAIB recently spent millions upon millions (crores) of Rupees on their AAIB facilities, including "state of the art" decoding facilities, equipment, and room. And this is the first crash to use new space/equipment... and... they can't.
So at this point, saving face is more important than getting truth in a timely fashion. *Insert Indian head nod*
Air India Crash: Civil Aviation Minister Rejects Speculations on Black Boxes Being Sent Abroad
Civil Aviation Minister K. Ram Mohan Naidu confirms black box will be examined by India. "Let the AAIB conduct the probe and go through the entire process," dismissing claims of sending the boxes abroad.
As the story goes, the AAIB recently spent millions upon millions (crores) of Rupees on their AAIB facilities, including "state of the art" decoding facilities, equipment, and room. And this is the first crash to use new space/equipment... and... they can't.
So at this point, saving face is more important than getting truth in a timely fashion. *Insert Indian head nod*
jhugz
Well-Known Member
She got her job back after being retaliated against.
Seattle pilot fought back after Delta ‘weaponized’ mental health rules
When Delta grounded her after securing a bogus bipolar diagnosis, Seattle-based pilot Karlene Petitt fought back. She resisted. And she won.www.seattletimes.com
After reading her latest “safety analysis” I can only imagine the nonsense she wrote up for her thesis paper against Delta.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
From what I've gathered it was a bag of complications (is it ever straight forward?) but end of the day management was certainly in the wrong.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Why not weaponize psychiatry? Pilots are used to it anyhow…
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Is this for real? Sorry to dip into this thread other than to snarkily comment on @Roger Roger 's post, but this reads bananas.She got her job back after being retaliated against.
Seattle pilot fought back after Delta ‘weaponized’ mental health rules
When Delta grounded her after securing a bogus bipolar diagnosis, Seattle-based pilot Karlene Petitt fought back. She resisted. And she won.
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Yep, very real. If you recall we had our own issue not to dissimilar at OO. The Don Douglas case.
Plus I'm not interested in speculating Air India anyway.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Like, I'd like to read whatever inflammatory PhD thesis is apparently bad, because only the first page or two was available on google scholar, but that's objectively a crazy story.
This Don Douglas thing is wild too, I'd not read it, here's the link if anyone is interested:
Sculprit
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The “Regional Chief” listed in the link above was in my new hire class at OO. He was coming back from “medical leave” and was coming over from the CRJ to the ERJ.
Everyone had already heard the story in class, and he ended up being paired up with the 1 FAA guy who was there to get his type.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
Classic OBD1 Christmas tree light uncertainty
Looking at you, MAINT light in the Max.
Just got saved by a jumpseater the other day who noticed it was on before push. Figured it would be a quick reset, but it turns out it was detecting metal in the engine oil and they grounded the plane.
Both FO and I were sure it wasn’t on when we got in but they say it would’ve been on after the previous landing. Regardless, we sure as hell would’ve noticed a master caution or a (gasp!) EICAS message. Thanks, Boeing.
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
According to Wikipedia the first EAFR was recovered on June 13th and the second on June 16th (nine days ago).
News articles tend to discuss “the” black box, so reporting about each’s status is muddy.
The EAFR used on the 787 is a newer and better technology than older aircraft, but that also means the ability to interface with the box is less ubiquitous than for, say, a 777 or A350. Standalone benchtop readout is a little more complicated than when the units are installed and the aircraft computers can assist with data retrieval. Certainly that is a capability several large accident investigation orgs have (including the NTSB, BEA, etc.) and larger airlines have, but it might be an additional wrinkle for most others.
I say “different technology,” but fundamentally the unit is still solid-state memory in a rugged, heat-resistant container like all other recorders. It can be an incrementally larger challenge when the accompanying interface electronics in the un-protected part of the LRU are destroyed and the survivable memory has to be “franken-grafted” onto new a new interface. I have seen a few reports that at least one of the recorders may have been in that condition, but again, reports are muddy.
AFAIK, the boxes are still with the AAIB. A Sky News story from today says, “The government said in a statement that the AAIB would decide where the recorders would be examined after making a "due assessment" of all technical, safety and security considerations.”
That could mean either an army or technicians is working furiously on the difficult task of restoring the ability to readout data from a fragile unit, or it could mean the AAIB is held-up by government procurement processes to purchase the needed hardware and software to perform readout locally, or they are considering negotiating which sister agency would be best to include in the investigation.
Having the units for two weeks with no progress to report starts to become awkward in many scenarios, IMO. But I’m not involved and it is more important to be cautious and avoid inadvertent destruction of evidence than having a fast timeline; the bits on the memory won’t disappear anytime soon.
DropTank
Well-Known Member
According to Wikipedia the first EAFR was recovered on June 13th and the second on June 16th (nine days ago).
News articles tend to discuss “the” black box, so reporting about each’s status is muddy.
The EAFR used on the 787 is a newer and better technology than older aircraft, but that also means the ability to interface with the box is less ubiquitous than for, say, a 777 or A350. Standalone benchtop readout is a little more complicated than when the units are installed and the aircraft computers can assist with data retrieval. Certainly that is a capability several large accident investigation orgs have (including the NTSB, BEA, etc.) and larger airlines have, but it might be an additional wrinkle for most others.
I say “different technology,” but fundamentally the unit is still solid-state memory in a rugged, heat-resistant container like all other recorders. It can be an incrementally larger challenge when the accompanying interface electronics in the un-protected part of the LRU are destroyed and the survivable memory has to be “franken-grafted” onto new a new interface. I have seen a few reports that at least one of the recorders may have been in that condition, but again, reports are muddy.
AFAIK, the boxes are still with the AAIB. A Sky News story from today says, “The government said in a statement that the AAIB would decide where the recorders would be examined after making a "due assessment" of all technical, safety and security considerations.”
That could mean either an army or technicians is working furiously on the difficult task of restoring the ability to readout data from a fragile unit, or it could mean the AAIB is held-up by government procurement processes to purchase the needed hardware and software to perform readout locally, or they are considering negotiating which sister agency would be best to include in the investigation.
Having the units for two weeks with no progress to report starts to become awkward in many scenarios, IMO. But I’m not involved and it is more important to be cautious and avoid inadvertent destruction of evidence than having a fast timeline; the bits on the memory won’t disappear anytime soon.
Sooo, rich kid with the correct last name got a job because daddy said so... made a MAJOR [expletive deleted] up then powerful family and associated cronies are now trying to cover it up.
NovemberEcho
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I thought it was said awhile ago that they were sent to the NTSB because thet were too damaged for the Indian authorities to do anything with?
Murdoughnut
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Roger Roger
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Shouldn’t that illuminate an OVERHEAD light on the….whatever the term is for our redneck EICAS? Of course, half the time you have to hit that thing 2 or 3 times before all the lights work…
arkflyr
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It will when it initially illuminates but if the master caution is reset it only will come on with recall.
And at the gate with the engines off you get an overhead light for the FDR normally so you always have to check that MAINT light either way.
Maddening isn’t it…
Signed, someone who as also been stung by the MAINT light. In my case we were waiting out an EDCT in the terminal only to come in 30 mins prior to find that nugget of joy.
