Air India plane crash

WacoFan said:
I mean, maybe to mask the suicide within a mass murder? Potentially to protect death benefits and such for family? I'm not sure how India's insurance/benefit laws work or how they view suicide so my guess is just that - a wild ass guess at a potential motive.
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This is exactly what I thought. If I was a psychopath but also knew how the system works it’s what I’d do.
 
New SOP for all the HAL 787s:

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arkavgal said:

Fuel to Air India Plane Was Cut Off Before Crash, Report Says​

The focus on the fuel switches on Air India Flight 171 raised questions about the pilots’ actions.
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Which still means nothing.

My airline had a dual engine failure back in the day. Would anyone like to share the immediate action it’s for a dual engine failure in a 757? :)

Cut-off then Run.
 
WacoFan said:
I mean, maybe to mask the suicide within a mass murder? Potentially to protect death benefits and such for family? I'm not sure how India's insurance/benefit laws work or how they view suicide so my guess is just that - a wild ass guess at a potential motive.
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Those would be my guesses too. IIRC, it was hypothesized that this was why MH370 was driven out to the middle of nowhere - to hide the real cause and protect the CAPT's pension benefits. Life insurance typically doesn't pay out on a suicide either and I presume that's pretty universal worldwide.
 
derg said:
It’s clickbait for amateurs.
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Yeah, there’s one guy in particular I always cringe at when he pops up in my algorithm. His videos have this very self-righteous tone—like, “This pilot made a dumb decision, got everyone killed, and frankly, if he were still alive, he should be deeply ashamed of himself.”

What makes it even more odd is that, given his background, experience, and age, you'd think this kind of overly dramatic, borderline clickbaity content wouldn’t be his style.
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Yeah, there’s one guy in particular I always cringe at when he pops up in my algorithm. His videos have this very self-righteous tone—like, “This pilot made a dumb decision, got everyone killed, and frankly, if he were still alive, he should be deeply ashamed of himself.”
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The more experienced I get the less I’m inclined to adapt that attitude.

Still, I can think of 2 Alaska GA accidents that were close to me where I to this day can’t see myself going down the full accident chain and the pilots legitimately deserve to be called stupid for killing everyone on board.
 
///AMG said:
That's an interesting "fix". We had something similar for a totally different reason on the other side of the throttle in the T-45, for CQ cat shots. It was this little hand hold forward of the throttle, and when you ran the power up and they put you in tension (of note, nowadays they put you in tension first before you run the engines up), you put your fingers around that little fold out handle and held it. This was to guard against accidentally pulling the throttle backward as you went down the cat stroke under G/acceleration. I'm not sure why we had it on that plane and no others. No such thing in the F/A-18, and I've never heard of anyone having a problem. Maybe the throttle was just looser in the T-45? Can't remember if there was throttle friction on it or not. Maybe they had this in the A-4/TA-4J too and it was just something that cadre of transition IPs and TPS dudes thought it needed, not sure? Wish I'd thought to ask that of a CA I flew recently who flew A-6's in desert storm during his JO tour, and then went to VT Kingsville and was one of those dudes to introduce the T-45A when it was brand new.
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PT6 caravans had an optional guard fitted to prevent going from high idle through low idle all the way to cutoff unintentionally. Usually it would happen on clearing the runway (only time you usually used low idle) in which case it was only embarrassing….unless the pilot tried to save it by shoving the lever back to low idle, which could torch the engine
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Yeah, there’s one guy in particular I always cringe at when he pops up in my algorithm. His videos have this very self-righteous tone—like, “This pilot made a dumb decision, got everyone killed, and frankly, if he were still alive, he should be deeply ashamed of himself.”

What makes it even more odd is that, given his background, experience, and age, you'd think this kind of overly dramatic, borderline clickbaity content wouldn’t be his style.
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People sell their souls for likes, shares and subscribes.

Speaking of influencers…

“Hey, I’ve been wanting to ask about your skin care regime!”
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Yeah, there’s one guy in particular I always cringe at when he pops up in my algorithm. His videos have this very self-righteous tone—like, “This pilot made a dumb decision, got everyone killed, and frankly, if he were still alive, he should be deeply ashamed of himself.”

What makes it even more odd is that, given his background, experience, and age, you'd think this kind of overly dramatic, borderline clickbaity content wouldn’t be his style.
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So to say, I read your post and thought, “One guy? More like, which one you referring to?”
 
derg said:
Which still means nothing.

My airline had a dual engine failure back in the day. Would anyone like to share the immediate action it’s for a dual engine failure in a 757? :)

Cut-off then Run.
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Thrust levers, closed, is before fuel control switches cutoff, then run. I'm not sure what difference it makes if you don't close the thrust levers first.
 
FlyingAccountant said:
Those would be my guesses too. IIRC, it was hypothesized that this was why MH370 was driven out to the middle of nowhere - to hide the real cause and protect the CAPT's pension benefits. Life insurance typically doesn't pay out on a suicide either and I presume that's pretty universal worldwide.
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In the US there is a two year contestability clause for life insurance policies for misstatements, fraud and likewise. After that policies are generally incontestable. Many policies have a suicide clause that mirrors the 2 year contestability clause. Some policies exclude it forever, some for 2 years but it is policy based and varies by state regulations in the state of policy issuance.
 
WacoFan said:
In the US there is a two year contestability clause for life insurance policies for misstatements, fraud and likewise. After that policies are generally incontestable. Many policies have a suicide clause that mirrors the 2 year contestability clause. Some policies exclude it forever, some for 2 years but it is policy based and varies by state regulations in the state of policy issuance.
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Can you explain that to me like I’m 6…

I’m interested in learning a thing or two, but those are some big words for a guy that went to my public school system.
 
BobDDuck said:
Fortunately the flaps move slowly on the 330 and I was able to get the nose down, go TOGO pretty quickly, and the RO was on it, and reached in and put the flaps back to 1 before the flaps moved much (and certainly before the slats moved).
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They're still talking about that one EMB-120 flyby at UCSB, I'm convinced, which was caused by a similar "oops" then compounded by "HEY LET ME GET THE GEAR FOR YOU—" "NONONONONONO...k" but a lot lower. Hershey bar wing and ground effect saved the day, that day, but "in the event of an engine failure, the required obstacle clearance would not have been assured" for sure.
 
jhugz said:
Can you explain that to me like I’m 6…

I’m interested in learning a thing or two, but those are some big words for a guy that went to my public school system.
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Within 2 years of purchase the insurance company has a right to "contest" a claim if you croak meaning they can investigate the application and your representations checking for fraud, etc. this is the contestability period and disclosed in the contestability clause of your policy. This period is generally 2 years. Although insurance is regulated by the states so various rules can vary by state. The only state reg that matters is the state you purchased the policy in, regardless of where you live or croak.

Suicide clauses/exclusions work similarly - a period of time as specified by policy language and state law (of purchase).

Once you pass the 2-year contestability clause you enter into the incontestability period where claims are paid.

Those Colonial Penn, every premium is $9.95/mo regardless of age or health stipulate that if you croak within 2 years they will pay your premium paid, but no death benefits. The death benefits vary (by age since the premium is $9.95 for everyone) and once past the 2 years you get the death benefits.
 
I like Juan Brown. I watch him the most but still probably 20% of his videos. I've seen him be wrong and admit it. Steeve I watched once on the Citation crash at MYF. He said dive and drives cause crashes. Just flying causes crashes. Dive and drive is all we knew back in the day and it's perfectly safe if you don't bust mins. The other guy I don't watch.
 
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