Ailerons In The Stall

Theotokos

Theotokos

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We were practicing my greatest fear--stalls. It is kind of hard to actually stall the airplane but finally it stalled. On the third stall I think, the plane began turing to the right. So I with instinct added alieron--not a good thing! We started nosing towards the ground beggining a spiral--although my CFI said we were in no danger and it was not a spin. He said that will happen 9/10 times with students practcing stalls, so do not feel bad. All I can remeber is saying, "Oh God. And I haven't even been to confession!" My CFI said firmly, "Stop now." and resumed control of the plane. I was a bit shaken up and was ready to quit stalls for the day. So we did intro to steep turns and it is back to stalls and steep turns Saturday--I know now: Rudder, not alieron in a stall!!!!!! Just a word of advice to other students who may do this (and like I said, my CFI said it is not too uncommon to add alieron since you are used to driving and naturally want to correct in such a fashion.) Well I need to run as I have some personal matters to attend to but just thought I would share that story.
 
...I could be wrong but that sounds like a spin. That never happened to me in my PPL training..cause well I knew not to have alieron in play in a stall.

But I do remember almost spinning the plane on my PPL checkride. We were doing power on stalls I was uncoordinated and not holding enough right rudder we were gettin slow.

I believe the right wing dipped sharply and we bagan a spiral dive. My heart fell to my stomach and I remember yelling "oh shiiiiiiiiiiiznit."

The examiner said "my airplane" and recovered. That was a big FAIL.
 
Just keeping working at it!

I didn't mind stalls ... now steep turns I did not care for. Especially when banking to the right when it felt like all this weight was ready to flip over if I banked just a tad bit more.
 
Windchill said:
Just keeping working at it!

I didn't mind stalls ... now steep turns I did not care for. Especially when banking to the right when it felt like all this weight was ready to flip over if I banked just a tad bit more.
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Yes, I think I am going to have trouble with baking turns--they seem a challenge. We just touched on them because we needed to get back, but they seemed difficult. I guess I will get it--sometimes you get it right away, somtimes it takes a lot of work. I finally have taxiing down fairly well! I was finished for the day after our incident, but I think I am ready to practice them again--I know the rule now. Rudder, rudder, ruder and treat the alieron as useless. I will get it all in time. Soon time for landings and the things associated with that such as patterns. I think that will be a challenge--today I saw a stiff crosswind and had trouble on the approach even (he lets me appraoch but then takes over when we get so close).
 
lots of trainers are out of alignment due to shoddy mx, rough landings, neglect, poor rigging, you name it. they won't stall with the wings level even with the ball centered and the stall performed perfectly. no matter the cause of your wing dip, the solution is the same: opposite rudder.
 
Haha, what does "intro to steep turn" consist of? Just a 35-40 degree bank? Just kidding with ya.

Sounds like you learned something during an intense lesson. Sometimes that is the best way to learn since using the rudder in that situation is an important part of learning to fly and be able to properly recover from a stall. You usually remember what happened when your stomach sank through your seat.

One tip I suggest is to put your elbow on the arm rest connected to the door. Lock it in place there when you start the stall and it will kind of prevent you from moving the ailerons as much. Keep your feet on those rudders and steer like that. After you get it down, it is nothing more than any other part of flying. Just a slightly trickier part of the balancing act we call flying.

Good luck
 
Theotokos said:
We were practicing my greatest fear--stalls. It is kind of hard to actually stall the airplane but finally it stalled. On the third stall I think, the plane began turing to the right. So I with instinct added alieron--not a good thing! We started nosing towards the ground beggining a spiral--although my CFI said we were in no danger and it was not a spin. He said that will happen 9/10 times with students practcing stalls, so do not feel bad. All I can remeber is saying, "Oh God. And I haven't even been to confession!" My CFI said firmly, "Stop now." and resumed control of the plane. I was a bit shaken up and was ready to quit stalls for the day. So we did intro to steep turns and it is back to stalls and steep turns Saturday--I know now: Rudder, not alieron in a stall!!!!!! Just a word of advice to other students who may do this (and like I said, my CFI said it is not too uncommon to add alieron since you are used to driving and naturally want to correct in such a fashion.) Well I need to run as I have some personal matters to attend to but just thought I would share that story.
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So what is the reason for not using aileron in the stall?
 
Timbuff10 said:
One tip I suggest is to put your elbow on the arm rest connected to the door. Lock it in place there when you start the stall and it will kind of prevent you from moving the ailerons as much. Good luck
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That's EXACTLY what i used to do!!!
 
That method also works well in steep turns too. Depending on if you know how to trim the plane off your milage may vary though.
 
I like demonstrating cross control stalls. all my students think that we are going to go right in to a spin, when actually they one of the most stable and tame stalls of all.
 
Timbuff10 said:
One tip I suggest is to put your elbow on the arm rest connected to the door. Lock it in place there when you start the stall and it will kind of prevent you from moving the ailerons as much. Keep your feet on those rudders and steer like that. After you get it down, it is nothing more than any other part of flying. Just a slightly trickier part of the balancing act we call flying.

Good luck
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Another good demo is to control the elevator with the shaft of the yoke. This way you can not input ailerons even if you wanted to. Then go into a series of stall-recover-stall-recover-stall-recover with only the elevator as a recovery (ie, no power). The student will learn very quickly that it is the rudders coordinating your level flight and not ailerons.
 
Hey, Theotokos, at least you were big enough to confess your troubles. I think that is 70% of the battle when learning something. :)

I just had my little "Come to Jesus" meeting with my CFI regarding my first long solo cross country. Flying is so much fun!
 
I had trouble with it after flying the seminole for so long and then going back to the Cessna. I tried a turning power on stall and since I was used to flying with my feet on the floor in the seminole, I got a pretty nice wing drop. Had to try it a few times again before I got it down. Gotta fly with your feet in a 172!

Oh yeah, the problem with grabbing the shaft of the yoke is you get all that grease and grime on your hand but other than that, I think that would be really helpful too.
 
Timbuff10 said:
That method also works well in steep turns too. Depending on if you know how to trim the plane off your milage may vary though.
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what i learned for steep turns was start the bank, then two clicks down on the trim tab, sit back and let the plane fly itself
 
That works! You can also substitute playing with trim and add 150-200 rpm.

Anyone know why you are supposed to do your first steep turn to the left?
 
Hey Brandon, I did the same thing. I also got my self into the beginning of a spin. It is kind of scary when there is only water in front of the wind screen.
 
joel_MQY said:
Hey, Theotokos, at least you were big enough to confess your troubles. I think that is 70% of the battle when learning something. :)

I just had my little "Come to Jesus" meeting with my CFI regarding my first long solo cross country. Flying is so much fun!
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Hehehehe...I had one of those after my first solo X-country. I wasn't aware that I had to close my flight plan afterwards.

So when I got back to TUS I did touch & go's for like 30 mins in the pattern. Until tower radioed me. So I did a full stop and parked and had a "come to Jesus" meeting with the owner of the FBO,CP my CFI and the national guard on speaker phone.

Oooooops...:confused:
 
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