Accident Case Study

"Unstabilized go around"

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"My controls"

In the crash videos it didn't look like the gear was down either.
 
"In compliance" always makes me chuckle. All that really means is the small sample of paperwork they looked at was filled out correctly.

"A qualified maintenance technician addressed the issue prior to departure, therefore pilot error"...in some place where they've figured out that "paperwork = fully ICAO compliant" rather than, you know, actually inspecting and fixing stuff.

You have to have the morality to go with the paperwork, otherwise it's meaningless.
 
I've had a remarkably stupid number of episodes where something undesirable happened and some cubical troll kept insisting "but the paperwork says it was done!"
 
Richman said:
I've had a remarkably stupid number of episodes where something undesirable happened and some cubical troll kept insisting "but the paperwork says it was done!"
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Yeah, having to stand up and say “damn it, stop” to patent stupidity of that sort needs to be in the short course in being a Captain.
 
Richman said:
"In compliance" always makes me chuckle. All that really means is the small sample of paperwork they looked at was filled out correctly.

"A qualified maintenance technician addressed the issue prior to departure, therefore pilot error"...in some place where they've figured out that "paperwork = fully ICAO compliant" rather than, you know, actually inspecting and fixing stuff.

You have to have the morality to go with the paperwork, otherwise it's meaningless.
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South Florida meet Van Nuys. There are very shady operators everywhere. That company is still doing business under a different name. Beware if you're flying one of a "fleet" of Falcon 50s.
 
I really enjoy watching and learning from these videos.

RIP the two in the bird.
 
One of the things that confuses me about this one... the FO was a student at a flight school I took some lessons from. As a student pilot, he failed to fuel up his aircraft before an XC and ditched next to a highway. He also failed his private checkride twice. Lost contact after that.

I've read a few case studies on the accident, and spent some time flipping through the long NTSB report on it, and there's not a mention of the crash. That seems huge, and I figured that's the kind of thing that should belong in an investigation (among other places). Is it because it fell solely to his CFI at the time (and yes, the CFI was remiss in not checking the fuel)? I don't believe the checkride busts ever made the report either, and while that's certainly not a red flag on it's own, it seems like it'd at least make an appearance in a 146 page report. Or is that not part of the NTSB's review of a pilot's history?
 
Rosstafari said:
One of the things that confuses me about this one... the FO was a student at a flight school I took some lessons from. As a student pilot, he failed to fuel up his aircraft before an XC and ditched next to a highway. He also failed his private checkride twice. Lost contact after that.

I've read a few case studies on the accident, and spent some time flipping through the long NTSB report on it, and there's not a mention of the crash. That seems huge, and I figured that's the kind of thing that should belong in an investigation (among other places). Is it because it fell solely to his CFI at the time (and yes, the CFI was remiss in not checking the fuel)? I don't believe the checkride busts ever made the report either, and while that's certainly not a red flag on it's own, it seems like it'd at least make an appearance in a 146 page report. Or is that not part of the NTSB's review of a pilot's history?
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Was he (FO) qualified for the leg bring flown? I thought not, what he had done prior to that, checkrides etc is kinda moot.

I actually gave him credit for trying to relinquish controls at various points. That could have broken the chain in the events...
 
Baronman said:
Was he (FO) qualified for the leg bring flown? I thought not, what he had done prior to that, checkrides etc is kinda moot.

I actually gave him credit for trying to relinquish controls at various points. That could have broken the chain in the events...
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Yeah the FO’s history may not have exactly been a contributor but seeing issues like that in his past may have been an opportunity for someone to introduce the idea of pursuing another vocation.
 
Skåning said:
Yeah the FO’s history may not have exactly been a contributor but seeing issues like that in his past may have been an opportunity for someone to introduce the idea of pursuing another vocation.
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How many people have been successful in transitioning to being something else? The Colgan Capt, the Atlas FO, this “FO”?
Does anyone have a story of flying with someone that was successfully steered away from a flying career ?
 
Nark said:
How many people have been successful in transitioning to being something else? The Colgan Capt, the Atlas FO, this “FO”?
Does anyone have a story of flying with someone that was successfully steered away from a flying career ?
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I know some mechanics that were steered away for various reasons, some of those reasons are valid today.
 
knot4u said:
I know some mechanics that were steered away for various reasons, some of those reasons are valid today.
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I bought my 182 from a guy that had crashed (destroyed) 2 other planes. This one he dinged up too. His friend (the broker) basically took the keys from and put it on Barnstormers. The funny thing, the guy was a well known person in the community, and is great at what he does. Just a hazard to aviation...
 
Nark said:
I bought my 182 from a guy that had crashed (destroyed) 2 other planes. This one he dinged up too. His friend (the broker) basically took the keys from and put it on Barnstormers. The funny thing, the guy was a well known person in the community, and is great at what he does. Just a hazard to aviation...
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Why would you buy a plane from Jerry?
 
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