AA vacancy bid

Screaming_Emu said:
Been spending the weekend updating the logbook. Should be done tonight. Resubmitting apps for the first time in 4.5 years will be tomorrow. It’s time.
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ok...And I had a typo up there....Im NOT saying you should. Im not saying you shouldnt either. Im just saying the wave will be cresting soon. Or as Churchill said "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
 
Kingairer said:
ok...And I had a typo up there....Im NOT saying you should. Im not saying you shouldnt either. Im just saying the wave will be cresting soon. Or as Churchill said "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
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Don’t y’all retire like 1k/year for the next 5 or 6?
 
AA34 said:
Don’t y’all retire like 1k/year for the next 5 or 6?
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Pretty much. But there are alot of young people being hired, or that have been hired in the last few years that will be in front of someone for a very long time or maybe forever. So things will be good, just not meteoric.
 
Kingairer said:
Pretty much. But there are alot of young people being hired, or that have been hired in the last few years that will be in front of someone for a very long time or maybe forever. So things will be good, just not meteoric.
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It will be meteoric for everyone. It will just stagnate for some (hired now) toward the end of their career.
 
Dexter said:
Can’t wait for “yeah, I was gonna go to AA/DAL/UAL, but they had just hired too many guys before me and it wasn’t worth it” to be the new regional lifer excuse.
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To each their own I guess. You let someone have special privileges and overall they are better than someone else for decades, its a tough pill to swallow to then all the sudden have those taken away.
 
Kingairer said:
To each their own I guess. You let someone have special privileges and overall they are better than someone else for decades, its a tough pill to swallow to then all the sudden have those taken away.
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I bid 30% in my category at the RJ outfit. No regrets leaving it, especially considering that (1) I made more this month than I could have at the 20 year CA spot flying 90 hours, (2) I worked far less and (3) I bid 60% in category here after 18 months.

I get it to an extent, but even given our atrocious first year pay it would be extremely difficult to justify a "stay" decision - even to come to the bright yellow and even if you top out as an FO here.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I bid 30% in my category at the RJ outfit. No regrets leaving it, especially considering that (1) I made more this month than I could have at the 20 year CA spot flying 90 hours, (2) I worked far less and (3) I bid 60% in category here after 18 months.

I get it to an extent, but even given our atrocious first year pay it would be extremely difficult to justify a "stay" decision - even to come to the bright yellow and even if you top out as an FO here.
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Its a thing called Ego.
 
Kingairer said:
Its a thing called Ego.
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I think it's can be any number/a combination of these three things.

1) Ego. They're happy being the big fish in the little pond.
2) Complacency. When you've been flying the same plane to the same places for 15 years, the idea of challenging yourself with a new environment might be frightening.
3) If you're claiming you WANT to stay, it's you who is making the decision. That's something I'm struggling with now. When I was hired on with Atlas it was my dream job and even management was coming in and telling us how we were going to take them to the cleaner on this next contract. I WANT to stay here. That made it easy to answer the question of "so are you interested in going to a major?" Now that I'm looking to get out, my decision to stay here might not be my own. That's kind of frightening.
 
I used to care about regional lifers and why they didn’t move. Now looking back, it’s the best of both worlds. It’s less competition for you when you try to escape a regional, and once you upgrade at your major you don’t have to worry about flying with those crusty guys as your newhire FOs. ;)
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I think it's can be any number/a combination of these three things.

1) Ego. They're happy being the big fish in the little pond.
2) Complacency. When you've been flying the same plane to the same places for 15 years, the idea of challenging yourself with a new environment might be frightening.
3) If you're claiming you WANT to stay, it's you who is making the decision. That's something I'm struggling with now. When I was hired on with Atlas it was my dream job and even management was coming in and telling us how we were going to take them to the cleaner on this next contract. I WANT to stay here. That made it easy to answer the question of "so are you interested in going to a major?" Now that I'm looking to get out, my decision to stay here might not be my own. That's kind of frightening.
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Certainly not suggesting that staying at Atlas would be an ego driven decision. Im talking about regionals, and more so i have some people in my mind at my old company who I know would never leave only because they cannot fathom the idea of being "subordinate" or junior to someone on the senioirty list after being top dog and getting first pick for 20 years.
 
Kingairer said:
Certainly not suggesting that staying at Atlas would be an ego driven decision. Im talking about regionals, and more so i have some people in my mind at my old company who I know would never leave only because they cannot fathom the idea of being "subordinate" or junior to someone on the senioirty list after being top dog and getting first pick for 20 years.
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Oh, I'm definitely picking up what you're putting down. I worked with the same guys.

I've eve worked with some of those guys who did eventually move on to Atlas. It's weird being senior to those guys, especially when they try to pretend their time at the old company counts for anything.
 
Dexter said:
Can’t wait for “yeah, I was gonna go to AA/DAL/UAL, but they had just hired too many guys before me and it wasn’t worth it” to be the new regional lifer excuse.
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Depending on the airline and the age of the pilot we're already there.

While you'd be a fool to to pass up a job at Delta when compared to staying at a regional, you'd also be a fool for taking a job at Delta or Southwest over a job at United, simply from a seniority progression standpoint.
 
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