AA-US Airways merger announcement as soon as next week

PeanuckleCRJ said:
Combined with DL ditching the last of the Second Officers and getting PBS, they were able to fly the same amount of block hours in 2007 as they did in 2001... with 4000 fewer pilots!

US carries a massive amount of reserves in their categories and has very archaic rules.

And ooooh wee, that SLI is gonna be a hoot to watch from the sidelines!
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I can't "like" that, but I fear it's very true.
 
SeanD said:
Well folks, its officially a done deal http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/american-airlines-airlines-merge-article-1.1263620

Im scared to see where this goes.
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In order to quell your angst, ask yourself how will it has gone in the recent or mid-past at AMR alone. They have exemplified management greed, have created a culture of bitter employees (at least the client-facing employees that I encounter), and overall have leveraged their place just a few years ago as "The worlds largest airline" into Chapter 11. For all AMR people - don't bitch or worry about this - it can't really be worse than the way your airline has been run into the ground by every CEO since Crrandal.
 
What are the odds the government steps in and says "uhhh, no"? I'm assuming the boards would have researched this beforehand but I don't really know how it works.
 
higney85 said:
I can't "like" that, but I fear it's very true.
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It is.

Mergers, no matter how you stack them result in net job losses.

I went through an amicable merger and at the end of the day, career stagnation, closed (closing) bases, and we're still getting cooked down into a thick roux. We used to fly the world, but now were re-aligning into the old NWA style of flying into base cities. We will get you to Narita, Amsterdam, Paris and Shanghai, but you're going to connection on AIr France, KLM, Korean Air Alitalia, or China Southern (Eastern? i dont know) to take you where you're really going.

Mergers, codeshares, joint ventures, etc all benefit Wall Street and "the office". But for the average flight crewmember, gate agent or ramper that only gets paid when they're moving a jet, not so much.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Combined with DL ditching the last of the Second Officers and getting PBS, they were able to fly the same amount of block hours in 2007 as they did in 2001... with 4000 fewer pilots!

US carries a massive amount of reserves in their categories and has very archaic rules.

And ooooh wee, that SLI is gonna be a hoot to watch from the sidelines!
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That's a good thing, isn't it?
 
rocketman5150 said:
With this President, anything is possible. But why would you want that?
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The One has been the most down-the-line conservative (small C) President since Ford. He's continued every Bush IInd policy that's worth talking about. They're quibbling about who gets taxed what, but no one seems to be even slightly interested in why or how we're spending so insanely much pretend-money, and the quasi-governmental head of the Fed is the same guy, whilst our assassination programs for Wrongspeak Personages (American Citizens or not) seem to be accelerating, if anything. If you think this guy is anything but More of The Same, you're either Developmentally Challenged or Willfully Ignorant.
 
Derg said:
It is.

Mergers, no matter how you stack them result in net job losses.

I went through an amicable merger and at the end of the day, career stagnation, closed (closing) bases, and we're still getting cooked down into a thick roux. We used to fly the world, but now were re-aligning into the old NWA style of flying into base cities. We will get you to Narita, Amsterdam, Paris and Shanghai, but you're going to connection on AIr France, KLM, Korean Air Alitalia, or China Southern (Eastern? i dont know) to take you where you're really going.

Mergers, codeshares, joint ventures, etc all benefit Wall Street and "the office". But for the average flight crewmember, gate agent or ramper that only gets paid when they're moving a jet, not so much.
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Just curious, but who does this affect the most? I know many airlines such as Republic and American Eagle have started hiring a lot, just wondering if those new jobs have a chance of being furloughed.
 
Cory Trevor said:
Just curious, but who does this affect the most? I know many airlines such as Republic and American Eagle have started hiring a lot, just wondering if those new jobs have a chance of being furloughed.
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... that largely depends on the staffing models of a lot of things as they exist *now*, and whatever the various components and labor groups of AMR negotiated out in court.

Best guess, it'll take 2 to 4 years to really start integrating US Air and AA as they stand now- IF the labor groups all play ball- which I seriously doubt that anybody will. There are too many unresolved issues in the two primary pilot groups.

Given that, it's anybody's guess how long it'll take. How will that affect things? With both sides of the operation likely to continue as separate certificates for a while, it'll be a while before too much redundancy in the system can start eliminating jobs. With the attrition rates for retirement being what they are at two *very* senior pilot groups, people getting hired at Eagle might not see any retrograde action at all, due to flow throughs, folks going elsewhere, etc..

Granted, somebody could drop a bomb on anything resembling the plan thus far tomorrow, and everything I just said could go to hell. Welcome to the airline business. Heh.
 
Boris Badenov said:
The One has been the most down-the-line conservative (small C) President since Ford. He's continued every Bush IInd policy that's worth talking about. They're quibbling about who gets taxed what, but no one seems to be even slightly interested in why or how we're spending so insanely much pretend-money, and the quasi-governmental head of the Fed is the same guy, whilst our assassination programs for Wrongspeak Personages (American Citizens or not) seem to be accelerating, if anything. If you think this guy is anything but More of The Same, you're either Developmentally Challenged or Willfully Ignorant.
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I'm not sure what you're on about, but I was referring to the current occupant of the White House. If there is anyone who would be interested in government interference in the private sector, it would be him.
 
Cory Trevor said:
Just curious, but who does this affect the most? I know many airlines such as Republic and American Eagle have started hiring a lot, just wondering if those new jobs have a chance of being furloughed.
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Errrrrbody in the club.

The usual result in stagnation.

Generally speaking, 2 + 2 = 3 in the airline business.

The shareholders love it but if I'm not flying the jet, I can't redeem shareholder value for mortgage payments.

Additionally, the clash of cultures gets unnerving after a while as well.
 
Why would a perceived shortage not have disappeared without a merger? Sure, a merger removes some competition but that takes time and the market swings anyway, whether mergers happen or not. Airlines don't like to spend money unless they absolutely have to, but they will grow to catch passengers. The real question is...is the market asking for contraction?
 
The shortage probably didn't really go away. Increasing numbers of people are still going to need air transportation. What probably has gone away is the major airline pilot shortage. I think the regionals will continue to grow, and that is where the career is headed unless you luck into one of the coveted major slots.
 
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