AA bequeathed an 8% parity raise.

[Kingairer]

...and Wall Street hates it, which makes
me hate Wall Street even more.

 

[derg]

Congrats!

And yes.

Good lord, get a profit sharing check and WS loses their shizzle.

 

[L-16B]

Pattern bargaining works. Union also claims they are about to fix some other things else very shortly to go to industry average

 

[cmhumphr]

Pattern bargaining works. Union also claims they are about to fix some other things else very shortly to go to industry average

Min calendar day..

 

[L-16B]

Min calendar day..

Yup, according to the town hall call it's calendar day, LTD, and LOS. That's all I can remember.

 

[learhawkerbe400]

Min calendar day..

We won't get min calendar day. We will get average calendar day like DL and UA.

 

[L-16B]

We won't get min calendar day. We will get average calendar day like DL and UA.

People use them interchangeably. But yes, it will be average. Doesn't SWA Have min?

 

[learhawkerbe400]

People use them interchangeably. But yes, it will be average. Doesn't SWA Have min?

They're not interchangeable if they mean 2 different things.

But yea most guys don't know the difference and just say min day.

 

[pete2800]

Thanks for raising the average the week before ALPA and management start mediation!

- The Alaska pilots.

 

[learhawkerbe400]

People use them interchangeably. But yes, it will be average. Doesn't SWA Have min?

I think SWA has min calendar day. Min calendar day is wayyyyyyy better than average. If we had had it we'd see 25 hour 4 days pretty regularly.

 

[jtrain609]

I think SWA has min calendar day. Min calendar day is wayyyyyyy better than average. If we had had it we'd see 25 hour 4 days pretty regularly.

It depends on what your trips look like.

Having both fixes most problems.

 

[SmoothLanderJ]

Thanks for raising the average the week before ALPA and management start mediation!

- The Alaska pilots.

Over 3 items too. GMAFB Alaska Management.

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[Skåning]

Thanks for raising the average the week before ALPA and management start mediation!

- The Alaska and Virgin America pilots.

FTFY

 

[pete2800]

FTFY

Splitting hairs! You'll all be "Alaska pilots" soon.

 

[cmhumphr]

Splitting hairs! You'll all be "Alaska pilots" soon.

Get your ties and hats ready gents!

 

[learhawkerbe400]

It depends on what your trips look like.

Having both fixes most problems.

How could you have both? You either have a minimum calendar pay, or you have an average calendar day pay.

 

[jtrain609]

How could you have both? You either have a minimum calendar pay, or you have an average calendar day pay.

You have both by having both, and they each kick in at different times.

An average min day over the course of the trip is a rig. If you have a 5 hour average you'll never be paid less than 20 hours for a 4 day.

Which is fine, right? But what happens when you get that 21 hour 4 day, that has a 30 hour overnight on day two? In that case, if you also have a min day provision, you'd get paid your min day for that day; if it's a 5 hour min day, then the trip suddenly becomes worth 26 hours.

 

[L-16B]

You have both by having both, and they each kick in at different times.

An average min day over the course of the trip is a rig. If you have a 5 hour average you'll never be paid less than 20 hours for a 4 day.

Which is fine, right? But what happens when you get that 21 hour 4 day, that has a 30 hour overnight on day two? In that case, if you also have a min day provision, you'd get paid your min day for that day; if it's a 5 hour min day, then the trip suddenly becomes worth 26 hours.

That sounds like SWA kinda work rules. This here be 'Murican

 

[learhawkerbe400]

You have both by having both, and they each kick in at different times.

An average min day over the course of the trip is a rig. If you have a 5 hour average you'll never be paid less than 20 hours for a 4 day.

Which is fine, right? But what happens when you get that 21 hour 4 day, that has a 30 hour overnight on day two? In that case, if you also have a min day provision, you'd get paid your min day for that day; if it's a 5 hour min day, then the trip suddenly becomes worth 26 hours.

Hmm I'm confused. I've never heard a rig described like that before. Our trip rig pays 3.75:1 from trip start to trip completion. Doesn't matter about overnights or duty periods.

The only time it doesn't help is when the trip starts late day 1, ends early on the last day, and has less duty periods than calendar days. That's how we get 12 hour 3 days and 18 hr 4 days.

A minimum calendar day, average calendar day, or improved trip rig would solve the problem.

 

[jtrain609]

That sounds like SWA kinda work rules. This here be 'Murican

Air Wisconsin too, if I remember correctly.

But believe me, the thought did not escape me. Sometimes I wonder if American has terrible work rules because it's trAAdition and it was good enough on the Connie, so it's good enough today.