Nice pics man. The variety of the a/c waiting for takeoff is really neat.
They look so awkward to me.
They look so awkward to me.
A weekend in the Bro
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jtrain609
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Not everybody I know! There were lots of people I worked with that hated it more than me.
The thing is incredibly annoying in a crosswind. I.E. When you're sitting in the right seat and need to drop the left wing, you need to lift your arm up to get the yoke to go to the left. Now imagine having your hands on the handlebars, and to turn to the left being required to lift your entire arm up in the air to drop that left wing. You're basically doing all that lifting with your thumb. If you fly it with two hands all the time (you only do this on takeoff) it's not that bad to deal with, but trying to get that left wing low was always a pain in the butt.
There's also a huge difference between models. In the EMB-145 EP/ER/LR's the airplane flew like a mack truck. The control forces were incredibly heavy and I think those planes were rigged horribly (EMB's fault). The EMB-135 was much closer in size to the original EMB-120 that it was designed off of, and thus the control forces seemed to be more in sync with how the aircraft should fly. The EMB-145XR on other hand, was probably the best hand flying of the bunch. It flew the way, I believe, EMB wanted the thing to fly. Where the -145 in many ways seemed like a -120 with a swept wing and jets, the -145XR seemed to just be put together a heck of a lot better. Control forces were better, higher payload, more fuel, yada yada. Personally, I'd love to hear from somebody flew who the EMB-120 and then the -145 and then the -170 to get their input on how each airplane flies, but there are probably not a ton of people that have flown all three aircraft (though there are a few on here that probably flew the -120 and the -145 at Express).
I don't know how the EMB-170/175/190/195's fly, but I thought the -145 was an absolute hog when you were hand flying it, and I think that's what really made me hate the rams horn yoke. In addition, yeah I just think it's awkward and I don't know who in their right mind thought it was a good idea when they thought it up.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Wait...I don't get this...
Are you saying you turn the yoke to the RIGHT to lower the left wing? Or do you mean you're lifting your right arm to roll left since you're one-handing it with your right hand?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
You always keep one hand on the throttle when you're on approach, right?
Left hand on the thrust levers playing the trombone (the EMB-145 is also the most unstable aircraft I've ever flown when it's at Vref+5 (the target speed we flew on approach) and flaps 45 out) and you're using your right hand to fly the plane. So to turn to the left, you need to move the yoke to the left, which means you need to lift the right side of the yoke up to turn to the left.
Make sense?
Left hand on the thrust levers playing the trombone (the EMB-145 is also the most unstable aircraft I've ever flown when it's at Vref+5 (the target speed we flew on approach) and flaps 45 out) and you're using your right hand to fly the plane. So to turn to the left, you need to move the yoke to the left, which means you need to lift the right side of the yoke up to turn to the left.
Make sense?
coa787
Unknown Member
First flight of the day
Foggy runway
View of the Golden Gate
Over the City
Enjoying Work
Looking Back
Crater Lake
Rush Hour Traffic
Waiting on MX in Medford, OR
:drool:
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
You're crap!
When did you guys release the gust lock on the thing? We didn't let it go until we were just about to get on the runway so getting beat up on the ground wasn't much of an issue.
E_Dawg
Moderator
At both companies I've flown the bro for, it was one of the very first things you do upon stepping into the plane.
I don't think there's anything specifically prohibiting its use on the ground during taxi, thankfully it is impossible to advance the power levers much beyond flight idle with the gust lock installed. I generally just hold the hold the yoke, though.
I don't think there's anything specifically prohibiting its use on the ground during taxi, thankfully it is impossible to advance the power levers much beyond flight idle with the gust lock installed. I generally just hold the hold the yoke, though.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Ah, gotcha. They fixed that on (most of) the -145's. The gust lock was moved up far enough that you could taxi with the gust lock on, and even on the ones that it wasn't, there was a notch that allowed for it when taxiing on number 2.
E_Dawg
Moderator
On the bro you still have full taxi authority (ground idle - flight idle) with the gust lock installed. You just can't go above flight idle... sounds like it would be pretty much the same in practice.
touch-n-go
Well-Known Member
Awesome pics!!
You need to man handle the yoke during gusty conditions, but that's probably for every jet. And most jets are naturally sluggish at vref+5. I was kind of skeptic of the yoke but I had one approach one day and it was pretty windy and bumpy and there were wind shear advisories by the tower. After manhandling the yoke all the way down I had probably the best approach and landing that I've had to this day. After that day I didn't think twice about the ram horns and liked the natural feel when you just rest your hands like a bike in steady flight.
By the way an ERJ can be landed with only flaps 22 and I did those more than 45 landings but there are some airlines out there that still require crews to land with 45 only, not sure if Xjet is one of them. THAT can make a big difference with the approach.
Jimmy_Norton
Well-Known Member
You're the first person I've ever heard of not liking the rams horns. In addition of most EMB products having them, a very large chunk of British airplanes have them, such as the Hawker family, and of course the most awesomest airliner ever........
JA Yawd Bwoy
Well-Known Member
Da Concorde...:rawk:
meritflyer
Well-Known Member
My thoughts exactly...
newty
New Member
I really wish I got to fly it for more than 9 hours a month. BUT, I do still have a job so I won't whine.