A predicament: what would you do?

Well taking everything under advisement I think I may cut my losses with starbucks, and pray the turn around on another BS avg joe job is less than 2 weeks. As for the pay its 20/hr for flight and to teach ground schools, not to sit around the flight school. One or two posters might've hit the nail on the head as to the school, as I can see no blimp hangar until about 300 or so AGL when taking off South. ;)

As the signature above goes: I am pilot, I must fly.
 
I would say Starbucks. Isnt there any flight schools in your area that let part time CFI's put themselves on the schedule?

Besides, I question the legality of having to be at the school 9-5 and not get paid for 40 hours a week... maybe try and talk to the owner of the school and ask if they can schedule you around your starbucks schedule?
 
Socal321 said:
I can't believe someone hasn't said it already. Who says you needed to work at Starbucks? Try Wal Mart or any other place where you can work 4 to 8 hours a day, any day of the week any time combination.
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This isn't the Kobyashu Maru. The parameters where defined as CFI or Starbucks.:rotfl:

(However, I was wondering the same thing.)
 
A year from now would you rather regret passing on the steady paycheck and scraping by as a CFI, or taking a steady pay check at the cost of a stagnant flying career?
 
KEEP the flight instruction job, and find another job other than Starbucks....alla dounkin, there are always other places than the particular Starbucks that you can get into. Some may pay better and be flexible. Just be open to yourself about limitations and you will be free
 
Well my sbux manager wanted to know today so I was forced to quit. It was quite the bitter pill to swallow/sickening feeling... just about the only thing more sickening than losing your flying job, finding another one + a second job, thinking you have it all figured it out, and then 2 weeks later being painted into a very very narrow corner. All this and I've only been out of college 4 or 5 months. How come no one warns you about how difficult this living life thing can be?
 
SIUav8er said:
Besides, I question the legality of having to be at the school 9-5 and not get paid for 40 hours a week...
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That's called an "Employee" Employees must be paid minimum wage for time worked, have taxes withheld, and are subject to defined work schedules

Most CFI's are Independent Contractors- which means compensation can be just about anything, including barter. Independent contractors are responsible for their own taxes AND work schedules. In fact, one of the criteria the Dept of Labor uses to determine if you're an independent contractor, or an employee is "Do you set your own work schedule, or are you told when to work?" If you're told when you have to work, you can't be an independent contractor.
 
Soku39 said:
Well taking everything under advisement I think I may cut my losses with starbucks, and pray the turn around on another BS avg joe job is less than 2 weeks. As for the pay its 20/hr for flight and to teach ground schools, not to sit around the flight school. One or two posters might've hit the nail on the head as to the school, as I can see no blimp hangar until about 300 or so AGL when taking off South. ;)
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Ugh. Good luck, my friend.

SIUav8er said:
I would say Starbucks. Isnt there any flight schools in your area that let part time CFI's put themselves on the schedule?
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I agree. Right now, not having a flying job isn't a death sentence. Lots of people out there don't and they're losing currency. When things pick back up, companies will be forced to hire people that aren't current...that's just what is going to be out there.

Mike H said:
That's called an "Employee" Employees must be paid minimum wage for time worked, have taxes withheld, and are subject to defined work schedules

Most CFI's are Independent Contractors- which means compensation can be just about anything, including barter. Independent contractors are responsible for their own taxes AND work schedules. In fact, one of the criteria the Dept of Labor uses to determine if you're an independent contractor, or an employee is "Do you set your own work schedule, or are you told when to work?" If you're told when you have to work, you can't be an independent contractor.
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Bingo. If he's telling you to be there 9-5, he needs to pay you no less than minimum wage for those hours. Period.

-mini
 
Mike H said:
That's called an "Employee" Employees must be paid minimum wage for time worked, have taxes withheld, and are subject to defined work schedules

Most CFI's are Independent Contractors- which means compensation can be just about anything, including barter. Independent contractors are responsible for their own taxes AND work schedules. In fact, one of the criteria the Dept of Labor uses to determine if you're an independent contractor, or an employee is "Do you set your own work schedule, or are you told when to work?" If you're told when you have to work, you can't be an independent contractor.
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Most CFI's who are so called "independant contractors" are what the IRS would probably consider employee. I know it is widespread practice, but it almost always would not satisfy the IRS. Don't want to get drawn into an argument about what is legit or not, but here is a link from the IRS:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=99921,00.html

Also, has a ss-8 been filed by the company who is employing a contract worker?
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fss8.pdf
 
Dude, if he is requiring you be there, he needs to be compensating you in some way. Instead of quitting Starbucks; how about transferring to one with a manger that's a little more accommodating?
 
I also understood it to be if you are required to be there, you are required to be paid, min wage or better.

Doesn't mean I didn't myself out as a CFI, I think most did. It can lead to connections, people with money/airplanes and better work as you network.

Good luck. With a four year degree you should be able to better than starbucks however. Find a job that allows four 10 hour days and instruct the other 3? Easier said than done, I know.

What an industry. Tough to follow your dream when it's paved in broken glass. Have you considered (not trying to bash - just keeping it real) a different career?
 
Dynasty22 said:
KEEP the flight instruction job, and find another job other than Starbucks....alla dounkin, there are always other places than the particular Starbucks that you can get into. Some may pay better and be flexible. Just be open to yourself about limitations and you will be free
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I would keep the CFI job as well, but if he's requiring you to go full time, he had better give you a "garantee" so that you don' spend a whole day at work and come up with nothing pay wise, just because the students are slim in winter. If I have to actually "pay" to go to work (i.e. gas in my car to get me there), then its a no go item for me.
 
When I said 9-5 I meant available 9-5, and you can bet that after I get my schedule set if I'm doing nothing after 12 on Tuesday I'm gonna go home and nap, or if my Thursday is completely open hopefully I'll be working somewhere else, however if a student comes in the door I would totally drop whatever else to go to the airport. This is not what some other flight schools do when they require you to be there no matter what flying/teaching or not. There is one particular school in the Akron area that does that, and this is not that one.

I also think many people are being unrealistic about what having a degree in this economy means. Finding a job right now is HARD, it takes months upon months of networking, it's seriously not as easy as some people make it seem, even to find BS $8/hr 20 hours a week night work. Giving the job up today was not done lightly, it actually made me feel pretty sick to my stomach seeing as how long I went without a job, flying or otherwise.

I've definitely thought about a career change, but when looking at all the things I could do with a technology degree none of them match the contentment and satisfaction I receive from flying every day (see signature). As I type this guys who made it are surfing this website, and out flying. If they did it, why not I? I'm attempting not to have a defeatist attitude about everything, after all I only did graduate 4 months ago. Perhaps this will change after as I mature past 22, or perhaps this will change if I ever figure out what I want to get a masters in. It seems the road is paved with shards of glass right now and allot of elements low timers like I can't control, but apparently I am going to buy some kevlar tires, and soldier on.
 
mshunter said:
Do you plan on makeing coffe for the rest of your life, or flying airplanes. It's all about the sacrafices that, in theroy, should pay off in the end. Ditch the coffe jockey job, and start CFI'ing. If you have to , find a pizza delivery job at night or something.
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:yeahthat:
 
Plan A) Do as my nephew did- he contacted Merry Maids and became an independant contractor cleaning offices in the evenings and weekends.
Plan B) Dunkin Donuts
 
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