rockman2343@aol.com
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Nope not this time. I just said my piece which is first year regional pay at most is low and unprofessional. Just my opinion. Others can defend the low pay all they want.
A letter to X Airlines, and ALL Regionals for that matter.
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hook_dupin
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The way the article made it sound, the associate got some percentage of hours billed in addition to the $10K base.
SeanD
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Really? Coming from anyone else, sure. Coming from you? Eh, not so much
hook_dupin
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Medical residencies come to mind. Those can last up to 6 years.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
I think it's worse than that, actually, in that it's not even an associateship position. They basically give you a desk, give you work that they don't want, and you're probably an independent contractor that's allowed to pick up their scraps.
"the job arrangement sets up the fledgling lawyer with desk space, a case load and mentoring, allowing him or her to earn based on collections from work performed for the firm."
Firebird2XC
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Yeah, but moves to eliminate competition are decisive- and beyond arbitration.
Unless I fall in love with some guy's daughter or suddenly find a new respect for life, I'm good.
Besides, you think that's bad? The race to the bottom is way worse in porn. It's where everybody goes these days. You want to see something getting totally flooded? There you go...
averettpilot
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If you went to work for it, you deserve it. Ain't no tears shed for people who choose to go work for low wages.
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Soku39
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That is what I refer to as a "cost of doing business".
block30
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To me, having a two tiered system to fly the same passengers erodes unity. I think of all the regionals who provide lift to the same mainline. How much symbiosis is happening there? It seems like not much. Then I think of the Buffalo crash and how Continental threw Colgan under the bus. There is a negative safety culture when a regional can/will be treated like an orphan. The division between mainline and regional creates too many problems. I, and I think most regional pilots, are happy to be team players and customer service oriented. But, it is hard to build espirit de corps and provide truly one level of service given the current subservience of regionals to their mainline partners. Management wants a seamless experience for the passengers provided by a structure that definitely has seams. How can this reasonably be possible?
As for the original poster's letter, I'm not sure I would have done the same thing. This is not to cast aspersions either. However, I *think* I understand the underlying concern he expressed. Taking regional flying back to the mainline would be a big victory for employees and passengers alike. I'd like to do something more meaningful than just get my time and move on, but instead work towards regional/mainline unity. Does writing letters and emails achieve this end? Maybe this is motherhood and warm apple pie thinking.
As for the original poster's letter, I'm not sure I would have done the same thing. This is not to cast aspersions either. However, I *think* I understand the underlying concern he expressed. Taking regional flying back to the mainline would be a big victory for employees and passengers alike. I'd like to do something more meaningful than just get my time and move on, but instead work towards regional/mainline unity. Does writing letters and emails achieve this end? Maybe this is motherhood and warm apple pie thinking.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
I like the spirit of the letter, but it was a waste of time.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Not a waste of time. The action of sending it to HR could be the first step. Getting it out there as an example to young pilots could prove more effective. If it were to go viral thru a news source, it could be seen by important people who may be asked to comment on it. And that's a start.
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
I think this bears repeating. There aren't any fat men with mirrored shades and german shepards frog-marching anyone in to cockpits. Nothing chaps my ass so fast as appropriating the language of liberation for fights that are really just about people being gullible and greedy.
All I gotta say is thanks for showing up to an event. I completely get the prose, bro!
zmiller4
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I don't think it's a waste of time at all if it's 1) therapeutic to him and 2) read by folks considering the career. I highly doubt letters to HR reps tell regional management anything they don't already know, but if it gets prospective airline pilots to consider the financial reality of the career path, it's definitely worth it.
That being said, I think the notion that regional pilots are horribly underpaid is slightly disingenuous. There are very few careers that offer similar quality of life and pay as major airlines, even with the decline in compensation in the last 10-15 years. As for regionals--in a perfect world, you'd expect pay to be based on a combination of experience/skills and responsibility of the position. Ideally, these two should be intricately linked, but the low-time hiring of the mid-late 2000's showed that FO's with no prior aviation employment could be used with minimal major catastrophes. There are very few careers where the average person, given a few months of training and a loan, can get a job that will make them $40-50K after a couple of years with no other educational background required.
Trying to raise a family on a regional FO salary alone would be next to impossible for me, which is partially why I left the industry. But that's true of a huge number of jobs that *require a 4-year degree*.
The number of available pilots obviously decreased with the ATP rule, and I think pay is going to have to correct itself somehow...but as someone with a graduate degree looking back at the airlines who has seen what pay is like in a number of fields outside aviation in today's economy, aviation is not the miserable cesspit that gets portrayed a lot.
ozziecat35
4 out of 5 great lakes prefer Michigan.
Of course it would be you who brought GPB into this! I was thinking that same line along with, "Pilots carpet bomb cities, that's indiscriminate! You should see the resume on some of these guys!"
We need to blow tanks up soon. Just got my Stug...both the Marder II and Hetzer are elited. Thanks for giving me the TD bug jerk face.
Oh, and the obligatory, @Derg, we had beer together in PHX a few times, I have 240 hours and a CMEL, I can haz job pleaz?!
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
"It reads like a Demon's Resume". I still use that.
PS. Stug is great, but I cannot dig the Hetzer, however certainly it will always and forever hetz. Just wait for the JgpzIV. It is "teh suck".
Also: "Wish I'd brought my gun. I mean, this should be fun!"
Firebird2XC
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"It reads like a Demon's Resume". I still use that.
PS. Stug is great, but I cannot dig the Hetzer, however certainly it will always and forever hetz. Just wait for the JgpzIV. It is "teh suck".
Also: "Wish I'd brought my gun. I mean, this should be fun!"
You're really getting a lot of mileage out of this flick, eh?
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