9L, 9E, XJ JCBA executive summary
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Gonzo
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As someone from the outside looking in I just don't get it.
9L guys are gaining the most and should be dancing in the streets over this TA but seem to be the most POed about it.
XJ guys are getting almost nothing out of this TA and seem to be ok with it.
Tram
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This..
I'm totally baffled over this.. However, from what I'm hearing, those most upset about are all the 1st and 2nd year guys..
9E guys clearly gain the most out of this. And there are just some things that are blatently wrong with it.
You should hang around our crew rooms. You'll hear most of the complaing from non 1-2 year guys
Gonzo
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What?
You get to keep your job. Colgan pilots would be at the bottom of the 9E and XJ list if they were lucky without this TA. You get to keep your job, real work rules, real QOL, and a good bit more money. So how did 9E guys gain the most?
Tram
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... and yet, you can't see the "blatently wrong" things the 9E pilots see when they look at a Colgan Q-400..
Still baffled..
Gonzo
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I think he miss the whole Colgan didn't have Q-400s before PNCL. Without PNCL, Colgan gets no Qs. In fact if PNCL wanted they didn't need to buy Colgan to get the Qs or the flying for Cal.
Tram
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Perhaps.. I wish I could find the post, but I also think he sees no reason for company paid insurance, which yet again, baffles me.
Hernandezcfi
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This thing is getting hot so let me add some fuel.
The whole argument of my airline bought your airline and you wouldn't have a job if my airline didn't do this or that is freaking funny as hell! You people need to compose yourselves man! It's like slaves arguing whose master is better and the house slaves looking down and treating like trash the yard slaves.
It seems to me that the people who seem to know what they are talking about don't have a problem with the TA. There are alot of green ass kids out there that are not happy with their raise but that's because that is the extent of their understanding of this TA and they don't yet see the big picture. It will pass and those that are upset will at some point in their career will have an ahaaa...moment and be glad it passed.
The whole argument of my airline bought your airline and you wouldn't have a job if my airline didn't do this or that is freaking funny as hell! You people need to compose yourselves man! It's like slaves arguing whose master is better and the house slaves looking down and treating like trash the yard slaves.
It seems to me that the people who seem to know what they are talking about don't have a problem with the TA. There are alot of green ass kids out there that are not happy with their raise but that's because that is the extent of their understanding of this TA and they don't yet see the big picture. It will pass and those that are upset will at some point in their career will have an ahaaa...moment and be glad it passed.
Hernandezcfi
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The Stealth, 300ZX and Supra were the big 3 rivals of the 90's. It's not stock but it's not running 10's yet either.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Dude, we had this fight 3 years ago.
Do you think colgan wouldn't vanish? I watched 3 different 1900 operations do just that. Remember Big Sky? Independence air?
If you really think your job is "safe", then at some point in your career your going to have a rude awakening. If we didn't have the Q400 I highly doubt we would have survived the usair reductions. Even the cal san has faced reductions. To be honest, if not for the 9E purchse, you would not have a job.
Do you think that 9E fo's like seeing colgan fo's making more than them ? No... Do you see them complaining about it? No.
Ill regurgitate, and reword this for you: "thinking that colgan will never just vanish is kind of naive" (and may leave you standing in a parking lot with nothing but the change in your pocket one day)
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Do you think colgan wouldn't vanish? I watched 3 different 1900 operations do just that. Remember Big Sky? Independence air?
If you really think your job is "safe", then at some point in your career your going to have a rude awakening. If we didn't have the Q400 I highly doubt we would have survived the usair reductions. Even the cal san has faced reductions. To be honest, if not for the 9E purchse, you would not have a job.
Do you think that 9E fo's like seeing colgan fo's making more than them ? No... Do you see them complaining about it? No.
Ill regurgitate, and reword this for you: "thinking that colgan will never just vanish is kind of naive" (and may leave you standing in a parking lot with nothing but the change in your pocket one day)
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Since the full TA is out there, and just so I know your arguments, what are some things that is wrong with this TA. We all know you are upset with the split saab rates, but what are the other things you are not in favor of?
Tram
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Yep.. All right there together.. I always wanted a Supra but never got it.. Blew up the Stealth before I could get too deep into it.. I've got a 2000 Trans Am now that's not in the 10's but it's not in the 12's either..
WalterSobchak
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Your question is like most of your posts and they are rediculous. You haven't read the facts on the TA or the facts every one else has spoken. We have explained it(the contract) time and time again. Your dumb "2 options" left out crashing a plane killing 50 people and aquiring another company to get rid of the name and restructuring the airline for marketing purposes. Atleast this contract(a contract for you JrsyGuy) will allow for work rules, better training and testing so Pinnacorp can have a more marketable product leading to better prosperity for most. Your arguments are more repetitive and agonizing than when aloft kept posting about Gojet. Sorry you are only getting so many things you never had before. I think I'll go start a thread that bitches about christmas presents that I have received. It's essentially what you are doing.
Get over yourself man. I wasn't even arguing about the contract. I brought up a legit question about how the Colgan acquisition all went down to make sure I understood that everything I knew about it was accurate. I received no indications that what I know isn't accurate. There are a few of you that are just haters and have to spew nonsensical rhetoric and attempt(poorly I might add) to make others look like they don't know what they are talking about. I am plenty educated about the contract, the industry, and my job. You might need to do a little more research yourself.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I'm starting to think this guy is Buddy Casey. Anyway Jrsy, keep it up, you're doing GREAT!
Tram
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Ouch.
Tram
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Plenty educated on language we've had for less than a week?