WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
General Rant:
For those who don't understand the Mesaba FO rates..... They are a blend from the Avro days of RJ85/SF34 rate hence the reason they are higher than the Colgan/New rates. You can NOT compare these rates because of this. The rates are now split per aircraft. The new SF rates are equal or better to Eagle and Skywest. There is no point in complaing about the lack of min day for outstation based flying either because it being phased out and you can bid away from those positions if it bothers you.
The Saab CA rates are better barely at XJ, but with 4 aircraft types that need raises a 60 cent shift from the Saab to make other pay scales more palatable makes it worth while. The NEW Saab scales are still the highest in the industry when compared to Piedmont DH8-100 and Skywest 120 scales.
So in a way those that are whining about these scales are infact whining about being the highest paid at your position NOT factoring in soft pay which puts you even further ahead.
Mesaba Airlines has 0 DH8400 airframes and that is why the scale XJ has is NOT valid. Currently they start off in year 1 a little behind AE, but finish well ahead of AE by year 18. That is NOT factoring in the raise every Dec 1st. So they are as good as anything out there currently. They are brought to the same standard as the Crj200 with in 5 years. At that time they will be the highest q400 rates in the industry bar none. That goes for the FO's as well. So once again you are being brought to industry leading standards not even factoring in work rules.
People need to focus on what they are getting and not what others are getting. I assume the people whining about the rates are the most junior FO's who don't understand all of the benefits of this contract. This contract benefits everyone at all three airlines. No one airline has any leverage against management for a better contract. How long do you plan on being at a regional any way? Are you willing to lose $6-900 per month to battle over $600 per year? This is penny wise pound foolish. You could literally cost yourself 10's of thousands of dollars over the next few years you are at the regional level. If every one looks at what we don't every one could vote no. Some of the people who could complain the most are the XJ saab FO's because most are senior to the 900 FO's who will be making more money. If any one thinks that management will give you a better deal individually out of the goodness of their heart ask a Pinnacle pilot.
Please use common sense and look at what you expected (and are getting)when you got hired at your respective company and what you are being offered.
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For those who don't understand the Mesaba FO rates..... They are a blend from the Avro days of RJ85/SF34 rate hence the reason they are higher than the Colgan/New rates. You can NOT compare these rates because of this. The rates are now split per aircraft. The new SF rates are equal or better to Eagle and Skywest. There is no point in complaing about the lack of min day for outstation based flying either because it being phased out and you can bid away from those positions if it bothers you.
The Saab CA rates are better barely at XJ, but with 4 aircraft types that need raises a 60 cent shift from the Saab to make other pay scales more palatable makes it worth while. The NEW Saab scales are still the highest in the industry when compared to Piedmont DH8-100 and Skywest 120 scales.
So in a way those that are whining about these scales are infact whining about being the highest paid at your position NOT factoring in soft pay which puts you even further ahead.
Mesaba Airlines has 0 DH8400 airframes and that is why the scale XJ has is NOT valid. Currently they start off in year 1 a little behind AE, but finish well ahead of AE by year 18. That is NOT factoring in the raise every Dec 1st. So they are as good as anything out there currently. They are brought to the same standard as the Crj200 with in 5 years. At that time they will be the highest q400 rates in the industry bar none. That goes for the FO's as well. So once again you are being brought to industry leading standards not even factoring in work rules.
People need to focus on what they are getting and not what others are getting. I assume the people whining about the rates are the most junior FO's who don't understand all of the benefits of this contract. This contract benefits everyone at all three airlines. No one airline has any leverage against management for a better contract. How long do you plan on being at a regional any way? Are you willing to lose $6-900 per month to battle over $600 per year? This is penny wise pound foolish. You could literally cost yourself 10's of thousands of dollars over the next few years you are at the regional level. If every one looks at what we don't every one could vote no. Some of the people who could complain the most are the XJ saab FO's because most are senior to the 900 FO's who will be making more money. If any one thinks that management will give you a better deal individually out of the goodness of their heart ask a Pinnacle pilot.
Please use common sense and look at what you expected (and are getting)when you got hired at your respective company and what you are being offered.
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