9 Days Off Awarded...

pilot602 said:
Which is why it was supposed to then scrap those and move to layer 5, 6, 7 etc. but it didn't.
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Nope...it only does that if you tell it to with the clear award thingy...basically the computer will go through the layers and find pairings that meet your preferences. When it has enough to make a legal (80 or 75 hour) line, it'll go through the layers again with line properties and try to arrange those pairings it got when it went through the first time. If it can't do anything based on your preferences, it'll just do what it wants....If you want it to go on to layers 5,6, and 7, you have to use the clear award function. If you restrict it (with 15 days off in your case), and it can't figure anything out by layer 7, everything else is dropped, and you get 9 days off.

If you want some tips on bidding, PM me and I'll help you out. I bid under PBS for a year with varying seniority, and was never surprised by what I got. All you have to do is properly pimp the system....
 
I'm gonna be bidding 93 out of 203 in ORD when I get online in April/May. Let's see what being in the top 45% will get me. Probably 10 days off.
 
GaTechKid said:
...has to be a new low at SkyWest.
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Thats pretty lame bro,

When I first came online at OO in OCT I thought PBS was awsome, 15 days off at 87 hr credit. Since then, as my senority gets better my sched. gets much worse, what up with dat? 6 days on 2 days off, crappy parings ect. I know we are short on pilots but there are to many incositansies (sp) going on here. Doug is correct, PBS is useless unless there is some sort of 3rd party intervention because crew support or who ever in SJU is setting parameters restricting PBS . Whats silly about the whole thing is this month I went no deeper than P5 and got most of what I wanted 14 days off 92 cr hrs. I am 2/3 towards the bottom of the list in SLC. I talked to a much more senior fo than myself last night who knows PBS much better than myself and was awarded 10 days off 97hrs and he is pissed. Gatech, where are you based?
 
My buddy here in ORD was the one who got 9 days off. He's right below me in seniority, we're both junior lineholders, and we both have 2 days of training that was preassigned for next month. I passed on the advice that he call our CP.

BTW, I received 12 days off with 89 credit.
 
One of the advantages to "real" union representation is a scheduling committee.

I'm not sure if your company tells you this or not, but there is *NOT* a single run of PBS. They'll run the PBS computer time and time again until they get what THEY want, but the only problem is that the company is solving it's staffing problems and blaming either YOU or PBS when I'll bet you a steak dinner that it's them trying to maximize the amount of flying for the pilots that they have on hand.

Without a group of pilots who review the PBS output *monthly* ensuring quality control and the authority (not just a simple promise) to demand that the program be re-run until there is a result consistent with seniority and resembles something that your pilots actually request, get used to more of the same.

I don't want to sound like a union koolaid guy or Mr. Grumpy, but if that's what the company is putting out and pleading, "oh! It's PBS!" or "You must have bid wrong!", and you're buying it, I've got some beachfront property in Deer Valley, AZ I'd like to sell you for a low low price.
 
Doug Taylor said:
One of the advantages to "real" union representation is a scheduling committee.

I'm not sure if your company tells you this or not, but there is *NOT* a single run of PBS. They'll run the PBS computer time and time again until they get what THEY want, but the only problem is that the company is solving it's staffing problems and blaming either YOU or PBS when I'll bet you a steak dinner that it's them trying to maximize the amount of flying for the pilots that they have on hand.

Without a group of pilots who review the PBS output *monthly* ensuring quality control and the authority (not just a simple promise) to demand that the program be re-run until there is a result consistent with seniority and resembles something that your pilots actually request, get used to more of the same.

I don't want to sound like a union koolaid guy or Mr. Grumpy, but if that's what the company is putting out and pleading, "oh! It's PBS!" or "You must have bid wrong!", and you're buying it, I've got some beachfront property in Deer Valley, AZ I'd like to sell you for a low low price.
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Dude you should hear the PBS "trainers" trying to justify what the system does. They swear on their life its the design of the system. They will rationalize it until the day they die. You try and tell them that at the end of the day, theres all this extra/additional flying being forced onto schedules and straight pay is being given. Like the example above of 12 days off with 89 hours credit. It should be more like 12 days off with 99 hours credit.

If we had a scheduling committee, the first thing I'd look for or suggest is to make the company pay us overtime pay for every hour we are assigned over 83 hours. That way "PBS"coughthecompanycough" compensates you properly for it.

About 2 years before PBS came out, we had a guy named Burt 'trip rig' Tarvin thats now flying at jetblue. Smart guy, he predicted long before PBS came out that it was forced jr man flying.

We had our policy changed a while back where you don't have to accept a jr man assignment if crew support gets ahold of you. yeah. so? They don't ever need to get a hold of you anymore, because the system assigns the jr man on you weeks in advance. Instituionalized jr manning!
 
mrivc211 said:
Like the example above of 12 days off with 89 hours credit. It should be more like 12 days off with 99 hours credit.
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That's due more to the actual pairings then PBS I think. PBS just takes the pairings/trips and puts them in a monthly schedule for pilots.

If PBS could take *all* the flying requested by the company, then look at the pilots choices, and then build the trips most efficiently from that, you'd have a winner.

But PBS (at least here) has shown that you get crap schedules with or without PBS due to the pairings/trips being crap.

For example, a "normal" schedule under United was 17-18 days off with shows after 3 PM and ending at 12 PM. Under US Air it's more like 16-17 days off with early shows and late finishes or 13-15 days off with ONE side of the trip being commutable.
 
Continental, Delta and Comair I know do have PBS

ExpressJet does not.

PBS stands for *supposed to be* Preferential Bidding System.
 
Hootie9750 said:
I have ten off this month. Im also working the last two days of march and the first two of may, I don't get how this is going to be legal.....we need more pilots.
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Wow, guess that means you have the whole month of April off!! Sweet!

:D :D :D





Ok, ok.........just joking. You probably meant first two days of April :insane:
 
PBS is way better that "line of time" bidding, BUT you've got to have authoritative pilot quality control AND a decent PBS system AND proper training.

If you don't have that trifecta, you're going to get hosed.
 
It's only a matter of time befor PBS goes live here. The FAs already have it, and they get screwed on a monthly basis. Okay, some of them on a daily basis. (Badump bump. Thanks, I'll be here all week.)

It's just a matter of how badly we let them screw us over with it. Currently, the #1 seniority pilot is getting 15-16 days off with weekends off with the line bids. With PBS, he gets no weekends off and 10 days off. Now, some of it might have to do with his choices, but I'm betting most of it is the company trying to cover the short staffing of CAs. There wasn't a huge push on this until we started bleeding CAs. Now the company is trying to shove it down our throats. 6 months ago they had more or less forgotten it existed.
 
kellwolf said:
It's only a matter of time befor PBS goes live here. The FAs already have it, and they get screwed on a monthly basis. Okay, some of them on a daily basis. (Badump bump. Thanks, I'll be here all week.)

It's just a matter of how badly we let them screw us over with it. Currently, the #1 seniority pilot is getting 15-16 days off with weekends off with the line bids. With PBS, he gets no weekends off and 10 days off. Now, some of it might have to do with his choices, but I'm betting most of it is the company trying to cover the short staffing of CAs. There wasn't a huge push on this until we started bleeding CAs. Now the company is trying to shove it down our throats. 6 months ago they had more or less forgotten it existed.
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It's hugely dependent on the pairings. When I was an FO in the top ~30% of the base, I was getting 100 hours of credit and 16 days off consistently (by choice). The pairings were great for that particular stretch. They've since degraded in quality, making such a schedule impossible, not due to PBS, but due to the pairings.
 
Cruise said:
Wow, guess that means you have the whole month of April off!! Sweet!

:D :D :D





Ok, ok.........just joking. You probably meant first two days of April :insane:
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:) Maybe I didn't convey what I was trying to, my internet communication and spelling skills are weak. What I was meaning to say is that "this up and coming period that has just been awarded (april) I have ten days off, plus I work the days immediately before and after the upcoming month (april). I wish I had a whole month off!
 
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