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No, they are outsourcing everything to please the shareholder, and play with their customer's money. They have completely lost control of their program due to the extravagant outsourcing of everything and are 2 (3?) years behind with no set date of delivery. Boeing has lost its in-house know-how and philosophy, and I know more than one airline that has lost patience...
Am I going to retire without having flown the thing ? :d
 
For those of you who think that the 787 program will be cancelled? Well, pity is felt for you.

Has there been recent talks in canceling the program?[/QUOTE]

Well, yes and no... the talk of cancelling the program hasn't been coming from Boeing, it is coming from a.nutters who are conspiracy theorists and if you listened to them they'd have you believe that Boeing is deleting the design files and shuttering the program.

I don't know how a grown adult in his right state of mind would ever think for an instant that Boeing might close down this program... that is just plane ridiculous (yes, pun intended!).
 
No, they are outsourcing everything to please the shareholder, and play with their customer's money. They have completely lost control of their program due to the extravagant outsourcing of everything and are 2 (3?) years behind with no set date of delivery. Boeing has lost its in-house know-how and philosophy, and I know more than one airline that has lost patience...
Am I going to retire without having flown the thing ? :d

You're going to have to provide me with some sort of factual information in order for me to take that seriously. :d
 
No, they are outsourcing everything to please the shareholder, and play with their customer's money. They have completely lost control of their program due to the extravagant outsourcing of everything and are 2 (3?) years behind with no set date of delivery. Boeing has lost its in-house know-how and philosophy, and I know more than one airline that has lost patience...
Am I going to retire without having flown the thing ? :d

You're going to have to provide me with some sort of factual information in order for me to take that seriously. :d

He's pretty much correct.

If you look, you'll see that Boeing has bought out vendors and/or their 787 manufacturing capabilities.
 
Has there been recent talks in canceling the program?

Well, yes and no... the talk of cancelling the program hasn't been coming from Boeing, it is coming from a.nutters who are conspiracy theorists and if you listened to them they'd have you believe that Boeing is deleting the design files and shuttering the program.

I don't know how a grown adult in his right state of mind would ever think for an instant that Boeing might close down this program... that is just plane ridiculous (yes, pun intended!).[/QUOTE]

Not everyone who talks about things that go against what people think is the norm makes them conspiracy theorists. Here is something interesting you may not know about. I will warn that if this is your first time being exposed to it, and especially as a pilot you if you don't have an open mind, then you will unfortunately always believe your government and never critically think for yourself.

Take this. Flight 77 hit the pentagon. There is a nice convenient NTSB animation that shows it. Here are just a few of the major problems with that. I'll only give you 5 just to get your started.

1. Current 757 pilots and simulator instructors, ie guys with so much time and experience in the plane its stupid, cannot for the life of them in a full motion sim recreate what some supposed moron with no experience in his life could do.

2. What the NTSB animation shows defies the limitations of the aircraft. At the speeds it was traveling it was basically to the point of being totally uncontrollable. The wings and airframe would begin to experience major structural issues and eventually fail.

3. Jet engines are made with titanium and other materials designed to withstand thousands of degrees during its normal operation. So how is it that both extremely large jet engines just disintegrate and there is no trace of them anywhere? The ensuing fire after a crash certainly is not going to do that to them as this is a temperature much lower than what they are designed to withstand during their normal operation of sucking, squeezing, banging and blowing. When looking at past accidents its extremely rare that you don't at least see large engines somewhat intact while of course the airframe would be pretty beat up.

4. The black boxes are supposedly damaged. How does that happen? Besides them being underwater for too long when, in recent memory, have the black boxes, which are designed to withstand so much force its insane, not work?

5. Sure the news says people "saw" Flight 77, but why is it that ever local business with an outdoor CCTV camera that saw what unfolded have their footage confiscated by the FBI within 30-45 minutes of the event happening. We all saw planes hit the WTC on video why would you confiscate video footage of one hitting the Pentagon? Why threaten the lives of normal citizens who saw the surveillance tapes?

Im not trying to hijack (no pun intended) this thread, but this is a topic/subject that I think JC needs to get on and discuss. Not everyone is a conspiracy theorists. When your government concludes an investigation into the biggest travesty this country has ever faced like its no big deal and never mentions any of the above or anything that might go outside of the "script" I myself and others have real issues with that.

You might be surprised that there is a major group of professional pilots called "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" out there today. Last I checked the tens of thousands of professional airline pilots who are members are not retarded wack jobs. Hopefully we can get some interesting discussions going about this.

Thanks.
 
He's pretty much correct.

If you look, you'll see that Boeing has bought out vendors and/or their 787 manufacturing capabilities.

Indeed they have!
They realized that they screwed the pooch on that strategy so they scrambled to buy up all of the work to get it back in house...now they own quite a few new companies. I think they purchased Vought because of the difficulties they were having producing a quality part.
I believe on the next clean sheet aircraft program you will see that Boeing does substantially more design and fabrication in house as opposed to outsourcing the design/fab work.
 
...Why would you bring that here?

Why would I sit quietly about something as damning and serious as that? Something that, let alone a pilot, but everyone in this country should be pretty pissed about and demand answers of.

He mentioned conspiracy theorists so I figured now a good of time as ever to enlighten him that not everyone who doesn't believe what they are told is a wack job CT. Did I strike a nerve? Have you already outcasted me?
 
Why would I sit quietly about something as damning and serious as that? Something that, let alone a pilot, but everyone in this country should be pretty pissed about and demand answers of.

He mentioned conspiracy theorists so I figured now a good of time as ever to enlighten him that not everyone who doesn't believe what they are told is a wack job CT. Did I strike a nerve? Have you already outcasted me?

Go ahead and post whatever you want, but a completely unrelated thread doesn't seem like the best place :) I have no major aviation experience, but a few of those points seem a little shaky even to me...I'll save it for it's own thread, if you want to make one though
 
Nah, generally speaking whenever the "usual suspects" show up and start talking conspiracy theories and they're summarily ignored, then someone pop up and accuses us of conspiring with the Bildebergs or something.

Been in the internet thingy before Zuckerberg was even driving so I've seen a few things or two! :)
 
Go ahead and post whatever you want, but a completely unrelated thread doesn't seem like the best place :) I have no major aviation experience, but a few of those points seem a little shaky even to me...I'll save it for it's own thread, if you want to make one though

No worries. I will create its own thread. Honestly I am surprised that people are upset about this being in an unrelated thread. Not trying to cause problems. I just notice that most every thread turns into some kind of bickering and hating and ends up off topic.
 
Haha WOW that got derailed pretty quickly!
Oh well, I got the answers I needed about the decelerons, so rant away!
 
For the record, that wasn't me, but it was totally the screen name I would have used. :D
 
So where is the conspiracy theory thread? I'm pickin' up what you're layin' down, JamesD.. :)
 
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