767 Flight Engineer station

Leave the switch in the normal position, which is the standby position. The non-normal position is labeled normal. WTH? I had the station manager in Zurich come up to the cockpit to ask us if we minded flying with the switch in the normal-normal position because we were carrying a large load of Swiss chocolate.
 
Does anyone have a photo of the 737 with an FE panel? I've looked before but never been able to find one... I'd also be very interested to see any photos of the overhead on the 767 with that panel... Any other airplanes of interest that had a panel originally and ended up 2-crew later on?
 
MikeD said:
The history of the 737 FE requirement:

The part I bolded is interesting history, and probably something that sounds completely weird to the generation of pilots from the last 10-15 years....
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Thats a pretty interesting read. Thanks for sharing.
 
The main reason Ansett had this station built was because they had such a strong pilot union, which protected the jobs of all the FEs. As they phased out the 72 they had to do something with the FEs, so one solution was to incorporate them into the 767. Gradually most of them either retired or obtained ratings for FO slots.
 
Tristan said:
The main reason Ansett had this station built was because they had such a strong pilot union, which protected the jobs of all the FEs. As they phased out the 72 they had to do something with the FEs, so one solution was to incorporate them into the 767. Gradually most of them either retired or obtained ratings for FO slots.
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Was a similiar thing with the 737 and 3rd crewmember here in the US.
 
Dan208B said:
Does anyone have a photo of the 737 with an FE panel? I've looked before but never been able to find one...
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That's because they didn't exist.

Earlier in the thread, Mike said that the 3rd pilot just sat in the jumpseat with no panel. Which makes it that much more badass of a job.
 
Instead of a pic, I would be happy to read the "Duties and Responsibilities" section for that position.
Something like
"Check fuel"
"Fasten seat belt"
"End"
 
Itchy said:
Instead of a pic, I would be happy to read the "Duties and Responsibilities" section for that position.
Something like
"Check fuel"
"Fasten seat belt"
"End"
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That guy in the jumpseat is the official Paperwork Beotch. :)
 
Most likely done by an ATL 767 domestic crew. They rarely see an ER. I remember asking the captian if I should leave the engine anti ice in auto and he didn't have a clue.

On a separate note, started flying in JFK this month. Got any gouge an a good cheap commuter hotel? I tried the 5 towns last week.
 
I think the Howard Johnson's has like a $50 commuter rate or something like that. I'm not too sure!

I generally go out to the Rockville Centre Inn because they have a super duper late checkout and laundry.

Where'd ya fly?
 
LAX redeyes. But I got a FRA and DKR at the end of the month. It's nice to finally be off of reserve and holding a commutable line.
 
dasleben said:
Engine anti-ice in auto? Is that a -400 thing?
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Nah, all of the 767's we have have an "auto" position. Just leave it there and forget about it, just like the wing anti ice. Ice detector senses ice and takes care of the rest. Very handy when it's pitch black and you're over the mid Atlantic. Besides, where the ice accretes, it's hard to see without putting down the current month's issue of BeiberMania Magazine and craning my neck over the panel.
 
Pretty eye-opening that ALPA had such an influence on the design/configuration of an aircraft. Although ALPA likes to fly the 'safety' banner, that was clearly a 'jobs' move.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Nah, all of the 767's we have have an "auto" position. Just leave it there and forget about it, just like the wing anti ice. Ice detector senses ice and takes care of the rest. Very handy when it's pitch black and you're over the mid Atlantic. Besides, where the ice accretes, it's hard to see without putting down the current month's issue of BeiberMania Magazine and craning my neck over the panel.
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Well crap, do they give you a copy of "Fancy-Ass" Magazine to read up front, too? :)
 
Cptnchia said:
Just throwing it out there, but that is only the ERs. The domestic 767s have only ON/OFF switches.
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News to me! :)

The only 767 domestic legs I've flown was ATL-JFK on IOE and DTW-JFK after a diversion from PRG the next day.
 
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