737 goes down off Hawaii

Redman is a pretty aggressive dip to bring to the cockpit. I'd probably ask for a pinch if it were you and I, but that's like bringing a hypodermic needle with 1/4 strength heroin to a aderall party
A pinch? 1, 2, or 3 fingers? Go big or go home.

I quit smoking back in 15 and havent had any Redman longer than that. I was just trying to figure out the FAA's line when it came to casual use vs abuse. I had Maint Chief that would chew on a cigar all day. Never lit it, and by the end of the day it would be a little nub he toss out on his way out the door.
 
If you find yourself in any kind of circling maneuver where you are turning to final and either overshooting or undershooting, don’t push it, in aircraft like these. If you have the ceiling to maintain the MDA and can maintain circling distance for category, just continue circling within those parameters and set up for final again. If you lack one of the above, go missed. Sure, these guys were technically just flying a visual pattern, having cancelled IFR, but the same concept applies in terms of confined maneuvering to final in a faster jet aircraft.
 
I don’t get why people who aren’t on the investigation team listen to these, you can learn the lessons needed from the transcripts and the report without the psychological effects of listening to it. Just kinda seems like horror voyeurism to me.
 
I don’t get why people who aren’t on the investigation team listen to these, you can learn the lessons needed from the transcripts and the report without the psychological effects of listening to it. Just kinda seems like horror voyeurism to me.

CVR recordings reveal so much more than words read in a transcript.

We can hear confidence, doubt, fatigue, and CRM dynamics, We also get a better sense of timing, which is important. When reading a transcript, we don’t stop and pause for the actual interval and we unintentionally read ahead.
 
CVR recordings reveal so much more than words read in a transcript.

We can hear confidence, doubt, fatigue, and CRM dynamics, We also get a better sense of timing, which is important. When reading a transcript, we don’t stop and pause for the actual interval and we unintentionally read ahead.
Does that make any difference at all in the way you synthesize the lessons learned from an accident and integrate them into your own decision making?
 
Does that make any difference at all in the way you synthesize the lessons learned from an accident and integrate them into your own decision making?

Well, yes.

I don’t start drawing conclusions that I might integrate into my decision-making until I have a clear picture of what happened.

Sometimes, the CVR recording adds something to the lesson.
 
Well, yes.

I don’t start drawing conclusions that I might integrate into my decision-making until I have a clear picture of what happened.

Sometimes, the CVR recording adds something to the lesson.
That’s what the report is for. It’s fine, you don’t have to justify your macabre hobby to me.
 
Does that make any difference at all in the way you synthesize the lessons learned from an accident and integrate them into your own decision making?

He’s right. Comair 5191 was a classic example. “Gibberish gibberish gibberish anti ice off something something checklist complete.”
 
I don’t get why people who aren’t on the investigation team listen to these, you can learn the lessons needed from the transcripts and the report without the psychological effects of listening to it. Just kinda seems like horror voyeurism to me.

IDK ... the psychological impact of work in the field (firefighting, 911, critical incident response team for support of others) is well more than one might imagine. I listen to these, almost against my will, because they remind me of every hand I held as one's spirit left, every trauma I attended, and every funeral I did for a first responder or victim because of my station at the time.

I think that I remember, and want to be reminded, because those lives were important to people ... they mattered. I chose the pain of being with them because someone had to at the time, and - inadequate as I may have been - I was better than nothing as they stepped into the dark unknown, for them and for their loved ones at the following funerals.

No hero here. Don't mistake me for someone who made a difference by rushing in (although I saved a cat once in a fire).

Voyeurism, maybe? "Kink shame?". Ehh ... if you want ... Weirdos? Maybe not as much as one might think. Of course, YMMV, as appropriate to your place and time in life.

IDK, I listen and I remember things from days gone by, and I think of those who blurt out last words, and I wonder what the last thoughts were of those who died by choice or circumstance when, as responders, we couldn't make a difference, however hard we tried.

As the years pass and eternity looms, one often finds it ... important ... to wonder how others met the great unknown, and how we might do so as that moment draws more closely nigh.
 
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That’s what the report is for. It’s fine, you don’t have to justify your macabre hobby to me.

Scared straight maybe? Imagine if there were CVRs in some of the “VFR” 207 and 208 crashes we’ve seen in the last decade and beyond. There’s a number of different ways to learn from accidents.
 
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