Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
How big a dip of Redman do I have to use before it's considered abuse? What if I'm just a social smoker? Or if I enjoy cigars but don't inhale.
Just seems like a funny descriptor.
737 goes down off Hawaii
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Just seems like a funny descriptor.
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
I hadn't hear that one before. I'd put N880Z on that list for sure.
It’s on YouTube, but be prepared.
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
I'm more....startled....at the stark contrast between the FO's reactions and the Capt's?
Pilot Fighter
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Agreed, I didn’t notice the use of the word in the headline of the article I posted.
Maximilian_Jenius
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tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Wow. That transcript sounds like what it would be like to fly a 5 hour flight across ocean with @Cherokee_Cruiser …
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
The crash above Indian Steele park?
yeah. From 2007.
Yeah the full audio is pretty grim.
When you know you're going to die and can do nothing about it, well, that's what it sounds like.
I heard that audio exactly one time and never care to hear it again.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Maximilian_Jenius
Super User
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Sorry, didn't know but I was thinking of N880Z.
Well, an accelerated stall certainly appears to be the final slice of the "swiss cheese" of sorts.
I'm not an accident investigator but:
1. Appears to be a little 'get home itis"
2. Circle to land approaches are challenging
3. Didn't have a plan on how to execute the circling procedure.
4. Got "lost"
5. Got slow
6. Got low
7. If the pilot saw the runway at all, he didn't handle the turn from base to final well and (I think) had an accelerated stall (whenever you bank, your stall speed increases as you load the aircraft) and didn't have altitude to recover.
I've got "CIRCLING APPROACH, VMC ONLY" on all my jet types for a reason.
You know the other co workers are thrilled to be mentioned so much!
///AMG
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Redman is a pretty aggressive dip to bring to the cockpit. I'd probably ask for a pinch if it were you and I, but that's like bringing a hypodermic needle with 1/4 strength heroin to a aderall party
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
1. Get-home-itis with a whole lot more of normalization of deviance sprinkled in. They cancelled IFR so they could shoot this maneuver to get in and had done so many times before. The approach plate forbid circling at night. Which is why they canceled as soon as they picked up the field initially.
2. True. Especially when it's night, in terrain, in borderline weather. My personal limits are to pick one of those. If its night, no weather, no terrain. Or terrain, no weather and not at night.
3. They had done it many times, which probably made them complacent. I'm sure the plan was there, just wasn't executed properly.
4. Yup
5. Yup
6. Yup.
7. I'm certain it was lost in the city lights. He calls the Tower and asks to turn up the lights as they are making their way around. Tower says they are all the way up just before the yelling begins.
8. I am with you Derg. Accelerated stall. Turning left. Head is probably left looking over his shoulder trying to find the field, and either picks it up and tries to pull the airplane around to the field or realizes he's low and is staring at a piece of dirt ahead of him and pulls back either to climb or increase rate of turn. Either way the resulting accelerated stall was the final broken link.
I have never flown a Lear 35 but if it is like all the other small business jets I have flown you aren't on the rudders too much when both engines are running. Less likely cross control, and more likely accelerated.
Good view of the ground track.